[tpm]

Well you can have a look at the rules and see for yourself, they are not that weird but very complicated. But I assume that if it would be possible, Tesla would try to get it approved.

> most of the traditional American big pickups like Dodge RAM are type approved - why not a Cybertruck then?

I'd guess pedestrian safety would be one of the main issues.

[throw49sjwo1]

I know the rules very well, special cars are kind of my hobby. There is nothing that couldn't be minimally adjusted to meet European regulations. Pedestrian safety is definitely not an issue. There are much more unsafe vehicles than Cybertruck in that regard.

Every model Tesla introduced was US only first few years. People individually imported the first hundreds of cars during these initial years. Tesla then introduced an European version of the car with technically minimal adjustments.

[Timon3]

Have you been able to find safety statistics for pedestrian collisions? I tried looking them up, but was unable to find any.

Naive comparisons like "the hood is lower" are not enough to make this kind of statement, as the remaining differences (sharp angles and a very different material) are too large to make this determination without actual testing.

[throw49sjwo1]

Try to look into national government statistics agencies, these might track it. European-wide aggregate that you could trust is probably available only for money.

[Timon3]

I haven't been able to find any. What absolutely shocked me is that even in America, apparently there has been no such test done by anyone besides Tesla.

How did you come to your earlier assessment? Did you ignore the differences in material and sharp angles? I'm not well-versed in the area, but it seems more than reasonable that they have an impact on the outcome of pedestrian collisions.

[eqvinox]

> Pedestrian safety is definitely not an issue. There are much more unsafe vehicles than Cybertruck in that regard.

Purely out of curiosity — can you name one or two such vehicles? I'm really interested how they are so unsafe, or rather, which byzantine (non-?)regulation deems them so unsafe :D

[throw49sjwo1]

My point is that there is no such regulation. But anything that used to be military and sold to civilian usage would qualify. Very common in Eastern Europe, though most of the vehicles of the Cold War have rusted by now.

[tpm]

Are you sure there is no such regulation? We are talking about type approval, not individual registration, and the EU Reg 2019/2144 says:

Regulation (EC) No 78/2009 of the European Parliament and of the Council (9) sets out requirements for the protection of pedestrians, cyclists and other vulnerable road users in the form of compliance tests and limit values for the type-approval of vehicles with regard to their front structure and for the type-approval of frontal protection systems (for example, bull-bars). Since the adoption of Regulation (EC) No 78/2009, technical requirements and test procedures for vehicles have developed further at UN level to take account of technical progress. UN Regulation No 127 laying down uniform provisions concerning the approval of motor vehicles with regard to their pedestrian safety performance (‘UN Regulation No 127’) currently also applies in the Union in respect to type-approval of motor vehicles.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2019/2144/oj

[throw49sjwo1]

As your own quote implies, even bull bars can be type approved. There is no reason why a Cybertruck couldn't.

[tpm]

As you are fully aware, it does not imply any bull bars can be type approved (and there are a lot less such new cars as there were in the 90's and 00's in our country).

So: 1) the regulation you said does not exist does in fact exist,

    2) it may be one of the reasons the Cybertruck is not yet type approved.

Time will tell, if and when Tesla manages to register it, possibly with some changes to the construction. Or it will deem the EU market too small for that.

[Topfi]

Do you genuinely believe that if there were any way to get this thing type approved in an EU country, no one would have done so by now?

[eqvinox]

> My point is that there is no such regulation.

Yeah, Sorry, I worded that poorly. Can you give an example of a car that is more unsafe (by some generic reasoning) than the Cybertruck, but still type approved?