[ilumanty]

What a German thing to say. How is this different from "I don't have anything to hide"?

[croes]

The difference is they don't hand over the data of all their users but of specific ones, just like every other entity does if you have a warrant for that user.

[raxxorraxor]

You get warrants in Germany for nothing, that is not an excuse. Call an official a penis and the next judge will steal all your digital equipment.

[croes]

You arguing about the when, I'm talking about the if.

That many warrant aren't worth the paper they are written on is a different issue.

[raxxorraxor]

The issue becomes far more pronounced if the state is able to determine your identity through your phone number, which in Germany is usually tightly coupled to your identity.

I don't need 3rd rate officials being in a position to judge my communication for some badly defined security benefit that allegedly would manifest for the whole society.

Plus Germany still has quite a bad record here. After WWII it didn't stop to invent new forms of totalitarianism through surveillance.

The German state is not ready to have that power.

[arlort]

Because the criticism of the "I don't have anything to hide" mentality is meant to support requiring warrants, due process and all that

It's not an argument the abolition of all criminal investigations in which a police officer is not a direct witness

[raxxorraxor]

Requiring a warrant is no sensible protection in Germany specifically and the saying certainly would include the situation in Germany.