[croes]

The difference is they don't hand over the data of all their users but of specific ones, just like every other entity does if you have a warrant for that user.

[raxxorraxor]

You get warrants in Germany for nothing, that is not an excuse. Call an official a penis and the next judge will steal all your digital equipment.

[croes]

You arguing about the when, I'm talking about the if.

That many warrant aren't worth the paper they are written on is a different issue.

[raxxorraxor]

The issue becomes far more pronounced if the state is able to determine your identity through your phone number, which in Germany is usually tightly coupled to your identity.

I don't need 3rd rate officials being in a position to judge my communication for some badly defined security benefit that allegedly would manifest for the whole society.

Plus Germany still has quite a bad record here. After WWII it didn't stop to invent new forms of totalitarianism through surveillance.

The German state is not ready to have that power.