[older]

Who are those "we" you're talking about?

[moi2388]

Anybody aware of what’s happening in Africa between France, Russia and Wagner

[older]

Is it some kind of secret bunch of people who know this?

[t-3]

The secret bunch who pay attention to Africa. It's not exactly shouted from the rooftops in western countries as public opinion is not quite as favorable towards colonialism and patronage as they were 100+ years ago.

[older]

I'm more interested to know how this secret bunch of people links all that to arrest of Telegram's CEO (who is a French citizen) in France. Sounds like a regular conspiracy theory and claims like "we all know..." just give more of the same conspiracy vibe.

[moi2388]

Haha alright. Easy there. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all, nor is it ‘a bunch of secret people’.

It’s well documented that France is fighting with Wagner in their former colonies, as well as Russia undermining their influence there.

It’s also well documented that Wagner and Russian troops mainly use Telegram for communication, same as in Ukraine. Again, well documented.

And these messages are stored on Russian Telegram services.

Telegram was completely fine to use in France, until Wagner started causing issues in Africa and then it suddenly became a problem.

But we’ll see what happens with the court case.

[older]

> Telegram was completely fine to use in France, until Wagner started causing issues in Africa and then it suddenly became a problem.

This statement is demonstrably untrue.

[t-3]

Yeah, I highly doubt Russian soldiers/mercenaries using Telegram is the main reason France went after Durov, but the conflicts and influence wars between Russia and colonialist powers in Africa is well-known and has been happening for a while.

[aguaviva]

The conflicts and influence wars between Russia and colonialist powers in Africa is well-known and has been happening for a while.

That the conflicts are well-known and have been happening for a while is quite true of course.

But this bizarre framing of these conflicts as "between Russia and colonialist powers" (as if Russia was not also a colonial power, or its influence games in Africa were any different from those of the Western powers) is just propaganda, and rather trite propaganda at that.

[older]

Do you consider the Tuareg a "colonialist power" in Africa? Because that's who russia is fighting in Africa: https://apnews.com/article/mali-tuareg-violence-c0b85f6ab284...