[older]

I'm more interested to know how this secret bunch of people links all that to arrest of Telegram's CEO (who is a French citizen) in France. Sounds like a regular conspiracy theory and claims like "we all know..." just give more of the same conspiracy vibe.

[moi2388]

Haha alright. Easy there. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all, nor is it ‘a bunch of secret people’.

It’s well documented that France is fighting with Wagner in their former colonies, as well as Russia undermining their influence there.

It’s also well documented that Wagner and Russian troops mainly use Telegram for communication, same as in Ukraine. Again, well documented.

And these messages are stored on Russian Telegram services.

Telegram was completely fine to use in France, until Wagner started causing issues in Africa and then it suddenly became a problem.

But we’ll see what happens with the court case.

[older]

> Telegram was completely fine to use in France, until Wagner started causing issues in Africa and then it suddenly became a problem.

This statement is demonstrably untrue.

[t-3]

Yeah, I highly doubt Russian soldiers/mercenaries using Telegram is the main reason France went after Durov, but the conflicts and influence wars between Russia and colonialist powers in Africa is well-known and has been happening for a while.

[aguaviva]

The conflicts and influence wars between Russia and colonialist powers in Africa is well-known and has been happening for a while.

That the conflicts are well-known and have been happening for a while is quite true of course.

But this bizarre framing of these conflicts as "between Russia and colonialist powers" (as if Russia was not also a colonial power, or its influence games in Africa were any different from those of the Western powers) is just propaganda, and rather trite propaganda at that.

[t-3]

Russia is not a colonial power though. The empire and later the USSR conquered a lot of land, but that was contiguous. Even if you try to argue that all imperial and Soviet expansion was colonial, Russia never colonized Africa and can't be considered a colonial power there.

[aguaviva]

Russia is not a colonial power though.

But indeed it was, and this is an extremely basic fact of its history. It wasn't run on exactly the same model as the overseas empires of the Western European states, but its modus operandi absolutely fits the definition of a "colonial empire" per the definition in Wikipedia:

   A colonial empire is a collective of territories (often called colonies), either contiguous with the imperial center or located overseas, settled by the population of a certain state and governed by that state.

The empire and later the USSR conquered a lot of land, but that was contiguous.

This idea that conquest can't be called a "colony" (or that territorial contiguity has anything to do with the definition of the term) is just silly. As if the American States didn't promptly set out to settle and colonize the West after 1789 (because these places were contiguous to it), or Germany didn't very explicitly set out to colonize Poland in 1939, and so on.

[older]

Do you consider the Tuareg a "colonialist power" in Africa? Because that's who russia is fighting in Africa: https://apnews.com/article/mali-tuareg-violence-c0b85f6ab284...

[t-3]

That's who Wagner is fighting in Mali right now, but the French were in Mali until 2 years ago. Wagner is also active in many other African countries other than Mali: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_activities_in_Afr...

Russia is also providing economic and political support to many African governments, especially those who have turned away from the west and are afraid of regime-change operations.

[foldr]

The French left Mali before Wagner arrived.