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by carom 656 days ago
I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.
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One thing I seldom see discussed is how if you're attracting the best and brightest it is leaving the original country poor. These places invest in their children hoping that they'll start businesses and then all that investment just ends up going to those countries that are already the richest.

I certainly don't blame anyone for wanting to move to improve their situation (I did it too!) but I wonder if developing countries would have caught up to the West decades ago if this brain drain wasn't going on.

What opportunity cost? Expensive healthcare? Expensive housing? Hey pal, why not everything else under the sun?

Immigrants have made the country rich enough to give everyone ubi free housing and free healthcare. But Then Billionaires.

#immigrants-are-the-new-jews #stop-blaming-the-hand-that-feeds

( Of course, it's not billionaires per se, but Greed. Eg in countries like singapore, the Politicians are the problem. )

For a living example, take a look at UAE, although I'd say they could have treated immigrants a bit better.

doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?
Because their country doesn't offer the same opportunities to achieve the things they believe they can in their new country. It's the main reason people emigrate. No one's going to build Nvidia in India or China, for instance, at least not back in the time that it was created in America.
America didn't used to be the country that offered those opportunities.

Yet people built it and made it that way.

Nothing is static people csn change anything

These people need to do that in their own countries.

Kind of ironic, considering the whole original population of America (the whole continent) was mostly replaced by immigrants, starting some time after 1492 AD.
well in that context they were conquerors
Colonizers rather than conquerors. Colonizers are effectively migrants, by the very definition of the word.
The people that built it and made it that way in America were all immigrants.
I didn't know Bell labs employees Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were all immigrants
Steve Jobs' father and grandparents were Syrian.
> didn't used to be

That's false. By definition none would have come if there wasn't opportunity. You don't need to be a geography student to see that it wasn't just irreligious opportunity.

do you think opportunity just magically springs up in places or do you think people make it?
As stated, the geography of north America provides the opportunity, before there were Americans.

Gold rush and stuff is just a bonus, the big money is in cattle and agriculture.

People who are looking for opportunity see a place where they could make it.
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The value and commensurate compensation of talent depends on location. Proximity to colleagues, decision makers, and capital.
Somebody has to sacrifice to be the first to start something like that in their own country.

In America we built companies art and music out of our garages just for the love of it... not because "that's where the compensation was."

You guys move around for opportunity all the time.
Some not most
I think you meant all. All moves when disaster comes.

Meanwhile where there is food there is no need to move.

What are you talking about? Is this fact or romance? The country certainly did not become what it is through love of sacrifice.
They are. When a doctor immigrates from Nigeria to the US, then that's broadly speaking good for the US and bad for Nigeria.
is it though...
Both countries have a shortage of doctors, so yes.
That's not how it works. It depends on whether (how much) they are paid and if so what do they buy with that payment. Are they settled in US buying pizzas and Netflix?

Because if not, then investments to Nigeria past $x will grant it the upperhand since all that money can get you another doctor and more.

It makes sense for big fish to seek big ponds
India and China arent big ponds?
Many pockets of the pond are not yet deep, making it unsuitable for many species.
But they are. Yet men being men will go where they think the money/food is.
When they leave their country it's called Brain Drain.