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by the_real_cher 656 days ago
doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?
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Because their country doesn't offer the same opportunities to achieve the things they believe they can in their new country. It's the main reason people emigrate. No one's going to build Nvidia in India or China, for instance, at least not back in the time that it was created in America.
America didn't used to be the country that offered those opportunities.

Yet people built it and made it that way.

Nothing is static people csn change anything

These people need to do that in their own countries.

Kind of ironic, considering the whole original population of America (the whole continent) was mostly replaced by immigrants, starting some time after 1492 AD.
well in that context they were conquerors
Colonizers rather than conquerors. Colonizers are effectively migrants, by the very definition of the word.
The British India Company colonisation of India was institutional colonisation.

The company remained for many generations but most (not all) individual British people stationed themselves in India and retired 'home' to England where to whence the money flowed.

Many European countries regarded their "colonies" as places to exploit for resources, places to be travelled to for work for many years, places they didn't regard as 'home'.

There's more to "colonisation" than just simple migration.

Even in Australia the early colonisation was by settler families that were part of larger stay at home families, the black sheep, wayward sons, and fortune seeking adventurers .. in Australia convicts and servant families remained, ultimately a good proportion of the underwritten (from home) settlers stayed .. but initially at least many heads of these families "returned home" to England.

In a similar manner modern USofA has many institutional "colonies" around the globe, bases they've established and never left, these rarely have permanently settled multi generational families.

and those countries that were colonized by Western Civilization countries are very lucky.

they are typically the top performing GDP countries of their region with some of the best quality of life for their citizens

The people that built it and made it that way in America were all immigrants.
I didn't know Bell labs employees Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were all immigrants
Steve Jobs' father and grandparents were Syrian.
> didn't used to be

That's false. By definition none would have come if there wasn't opportunity. You don't need to be a geography student to see that it wasn't just irreligious opportunity.

do you think opportunity just magically springs up in places or do you think people make it?
As stated, the geography of north America provides the opportunity, before there were Americans.

Gold rush and stuff is just a bonus, the big money is in cattle and agriculture.

People who are looking for opportunity see a place where they could make it.
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The value and commensurate compensation of talent depends on location. Proximity to colleagues, decision makers, and capital.
Somebody has to sacrifice to be the first to start something like that in their own country.

In America we built companies art and music out of our garages just for the love of it... not because "that's where the compensation was."

You guys move around for opportunity all the time.
Some not most
I think you meant all. All moves when disaster comes.

Meanwhile where there is food there is no need to move.

some people are farmers
What are you talking about? Is this fact or romance? The country certainly did not become what it is through love of sacrifice.
They are. When a doctor immigrates from Nigeria to the US, then that's broadly speaking good for the US and bad for Nigeria.
is it though...
Both countries have a shortage of doctors, so yes.
That's not how it works. It depends on whether (how much) they are paid and if so what do they buy with that payment. Are they settled in US buying pizzas and Netflix?

Because if not, then investments to Nigeria past $x will grant it the upperhand since all that money can get you another doctor and more.

5 years is truly a big kill. looks like its a reaction to 99% of them refusing to send money back home and invest in Nigeria, preferring to buy-US and -Europe.
It makes sense for big fish to seek big ponds
India and China arent big ponds?
Many pockets of the pond are not yet deep, making it unsuitable for many species.
But they are. Yet men being men will go where they think the money/food is.
When they leave their country it's called Brain Drain.