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by grahamjameson 675 days ago
I do not know the details of their contracts, but assuming these are cost-plus contracts then it may be fair to equate structural dysfunction to intent.
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The purpose of a system is what it does. Defense contractors extract money from the government, they are not here to enable space travel, they are here to move money from other people's pockets to their own. Any other actions are purely ancillary. And if they can get the money without delivering any result at all, why, they're fine with that.
> The purpose of a system is what it does. Defense contractors extract money from the government, they are not here to enable space travel, they are here to move money from other people's pockets to their own. Any other actions are purely ancillary. And if they can get the money without delivering any result at all, why, they're fine with that.

This is part of the reason why the new era of firm, fixed price contracts at NASA is so important. And why it's so troubling that NASA is having difficulty transitioning SLS contractors to such contracts for later (Artemis V+) rockets.

Old Space companies will never adopt fixed price. NASA just needs to drop them.
That sounds good, until it leaves NASA entirely dependent on SpaceX as a single supplier. For better or worse, there don't seem to be any other companies (old or new) that are able to successfully execute on huge fixed-price contracts.
> For better or worse, there don't seem to be any other companies (old or new) that are able to successfully execute on huge fixed-price contracts.

Northrup Grumman seems to be doing a pretty good job with Cygnus. And ULA seems to be doing alright with NSSLv2 (although it sounds like they may have had to give up a launch or two due to Vulcan delays).

No, but there will be. Besides SpaceX there is also Rocketlab who has a CEO rocket nerd in charge.
So that's two nerds total.
Sierra and Blue Origin are coming.
> Old Space companies will never adopt fixed price

Starliner is fixed cost.

> Starliner is fixed cost.

It sounds like you agree that Boeing is failing to adopt to fixed cost?

Just from pop culture, isn't starliner that thing that leaves people stranded for a year after making them shed "excess" baggage for a supposedly weeklong(?) trip?

Also from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Starliner

> Boeing has lost more than $1.5 billion in budget overruns on the Starliner project which has been marred by delays, management issues and engineering challenges. The price paid per flight has also drawn criticism from NASA's inspector general and from observers who point to significantly lower costs on the competing Crew Dragon.

> It sounds like you agree that Boeing is failing to adopt to fixed cost?

“Will never adopt” and is failing to adopt and adapt to are miles apart.

These are not cost-plus contracts for the most part. Boeing has incurred huge losses on fixed-price contracts with NASA.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/boeing-says-it-cant-ma...