[OutOfHere]

Proton has multiple services, and the data retention of one service may have little to do with another. In particular, any data retention for their VPN service is going to be very different from say email for obvious reasons. Even for email, afaik, it was the recovery email address that gave access to the data in the account.

What's a better VPN service anyway? Mullvad? I see Proton's stealth feature as being valuable.

Disclaimer: I have no conflict of interest whatsoever with Proton other than being a free user.

[lovethevoid]

PrivacyGuides (not affiliated with them, just find it a useful resource), highlights Proton, Mullvad, and iVPN as reputable depending on your use. They state Proton does not support ipv6 yet, Mullvad removed remote port forwarding, and iVPN the same.

The recommendation the person you're responding to (PIA and Cryptostorm), is very untrustworthy and doesn't even match the minimum criteria from PrivacyGuides.

[3np]

Got any details, reference, quote, or analysis on the CS claim?

AFAICT, the only discriminating factor is lack of solicited third-party security audits. Which I don't think implies being "untrustworthy".

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/vpn/#marketing

https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/why-is-vpn-providers-lik...

(PIA/Kape I get and relevant information is easily discoverable available on controversy surrounding them and their owners)

[andreareina]

The default state of vpn services should be that they're untrusted.

[kelsey98765431]

i mentioned pia cryptostorm etc (or whatever) in the context of onion plus vpn multihop.