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by antonvs 684 days ago
> An actual intelligence would be able to cross-check information against its existing data store and thus recognize during ingestion that it is being fed bad data

There’s a physics Nobel Prize winner, John Clauser, who has recently been publicly claiming that climate change doesn’t exist. Is he not “actually intelligent”?

I kinda want to say no he’s not, but the reality is that people are wrong about all sorts of things all the time. Intelligence is not some sort of guaranteed protection against that. If anything, intelligent people are better at rationalizing their BS to themselves and others.

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I don't know much about it, but from a quick google, I don't think you're representing his stance precisely? From what I see, he claims a "climate crisis" doesn't exist, which is different than "climate change doesn't exist":

“The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people. Misguided climate science has metastasized into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience. In turn, the pseudoscience has become a scapegoat for a wide variety of other unrelated ills. It has been promoted and extended by similarly misguided business marketing agents, politicians, journalists, government agencies, and environmentalists. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s large population and an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science.”

and

“In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s large population and an associated energy crisis.”

I did learn something while writing this though. I assumed that ChatGPT wouldn't give an objective summary of Dr. Clauser's viewpoint, but I was dead wrong:

Me: "What are John Clauser's viewpoints on climate change? Summarize his arguments."

ChatGPT: "John Clauser, a Nobel laureate in physics, holds controversial views on climate change, which diverge significantly from the scientific consensus. Clauser has publicly stated that he does not believe there is a climate crisis. He argues that the major climate models fail to account for complexities and key variables, leading to exaggerated and misunderstood projections of climate change impacts. Clauser criticizes the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) for spreading misinformation and claims that climate policies based on these models are wasteful and misguided (Logically) (Apple) (Apple) .

He suggests that the scientific approach to understanding climate involves careful observation and experimentation, and he emphasizes the need for distinguishing truth from misinformation. Clauser's stance aligns with the views of the CO2 Coalition, a group that argues that carbon dioxide emissions are beneficial and not a threat (CO2 Coalition) (CO2 Coalition) . His viewpoints have sparked considerable debate, especially given his prominence in the field of quantum mechanics and his Nobel Prize recognition."

Pretty good! Objective, clear and accurate from what I can tell.

Here are a couple of quotes from Clauser himself:

"I believe climate change is a total myth." [1]

"I call myself a climate denier." [2]

According to [2], "He has concluded that clouds have a net cooling effect on the planet, so there is no climate crisis." The Hossenfelder video [1] has more specifics on this, with excerpts from one of Clauser's own talks.

This is classic climate change denialism.

> I don't know much about it, but from a quick google

Why do you feel the need to do this? Apparently your google was too quick. Also, cut/pasting chatgpt has already jumped the shark, don't do that.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kGiCUiOMyQ

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/11/1... (also at: https://web.archive.org/web/20240620232204/https://www.washi... )

Thanks for the research!

While I understand your point that Clauser doesn't precisely say "climate change doesn't exist", when he says "CO2 emissions are beneficial", that's widely against the large scientific consensus on climate change. So while the person you're replying to didn't go into details (like you did well) and could have phrased it slightly better, I don't think it was misleading either, and their larger point stands pretty much change unchanged. Do you feel differently, i.e. that it was significantly misleading?

His "research" is nonsense. As he confessed himself, all he did was "a quick google" and asked chatgpt (?!!)

I've provide some references for what I wrote in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41226789

Clauser is a climate change denier, by his own admission and based on the pseudoscientific claims he's made.

> Do you feel differently, i.e. that it was significantly misleading?

Nope, I felt it was imprecise.

You were wrong.