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by crngefest 691 days ago
If someone tells me what to do I instinctively do the exact opposite or at least have the overwhelming urge to
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Don't go read about Oppositional Defiance Disorder.
ODD has some really questionable aspects. Especially considering half of children diagnosed with it are also ADHD. I highly suspect the issue is more with the authority figures not knowing how to handle neurodivergence than the children themselves.

Many people tend to do the opposite of what they are told to do. In an individualist culture, this is normal.

A step back - I’d consider the possibility too that it’s a learned behavior where they have received enough pain in the past doing what they were told, so literally have been conditioned to do the opposite of what they were told.

And/or, never got attention or positive feedback when doing what they were told - but got lots of attention when they did what they were told not to do. Not necessarily positive, but something is better than nothing.

Which isn’t necessarily at odds with what you’re saying.

As someone who has some of the traits this is absolutely it.

When you spend your childhood being told by people to do things that will lead to, well, almost certainly being poor and having a shit life, you learn to just ignore advice and do the opposite.

It is really hard to unlearn this in adulthood. I tend to get by by judging the person giving the advice e.g. if they seem successful then they are more likely to be correct than if they are not.

I developed something like this, but it manifests more as "question everything until it makes sense to me."

I feel like I'm constitutionally incapable of taking anybody's word for anything, but it's vastly worse for anyone who reacts with hostility to my questions about points that don't make sense to me.

It was very much trained into me by my father that following the advice of those people leads to suffering and pain. He acted like he knew everything. He reacted with rage when questioned. And looking back on it, he was (and remains) wrong about every single point of substance I ever remember his having made.

> manifests more as "question everything until it makes sense to me."

This is called "critical thinking" -- at least when combined with a decent amount of existing topical knowledge to be able to ask good questions -- and is rather useful for all sorts of things.

Are you me? If not, are you really sure?
I happen to agree. You can very easily train a child with a compatible personality or disability into an ODD diagnosis.
Oh god. So many layers. A+

Bonus points in the situation they figure out what you’re doing, and just go a third way. Like setting your house on fire.

I really don't like that this worked on me even though I'm not the person you were replying to.

But thanks too.

Ah yes, let's medicalize "because fuck you, that's why" so that we can address it better.
The worst is when I decide for myself to do something, and then someone suggests the same course of action right as I'm about to do it. Well, now I don't want to.