Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by coffeecloud 682 days ago
“Existence at every second” is very different than “when choosing to drive on a public road”
2 comments

It's a little bit different, but not very different. I object strongly to the idea that if something is in public then unlimited surveillance is acceptable. Cameras everywhere magnifying the eyes of the government by orders of magnitude is a very bad thing.

People exist in public. There should be very little tracking as a baseline.

Putting up speeding cameras on public roads is not “unlimited surveillance” or “cameras everywhere”
> Putting up speeding cameras on public roads is not “unlimited surveillance” or “cameras everywhere”

Not by themselves, but public roads are a huge portion of everywhere when you look at person-hours spent in public.

Street corner cameras are also neither unlimited nor everywhere. But the combination of those two gets extremely oppressive.

Even just one is enough to track almost all your movements. Everyone's movements are not supposed to be in a database somewhere just because they moved through public spaces. And sure lots of those cameras are not centrally connected today, but the "it's public" argument allows it just fine.

It is, but it's also a slippery slope to constantly monitor behavior in order to coerce a desired response.
What’s the difference between “constantly monitor behavior in order to coerce a desired response” and “enforcing the law”?

Are traffic cameras a slippery slope to cameras in your house to make sure your aren’t doing drugs or building an unpermitted additon?

They definitly can be. That's the slope. Where do you stop. Any totalitarian worth thier salt can easily make that leap. Use monitoring to curb one type of crime and "undesirable" behavior, why not use it for other types and before you know it, your entire existince is monitored in detail just to make sure you're acting exactly the way "they" want you to. That's how it works. The "I have nothing to hide" is a long debunked argument.
Then why enforce any laws? Any enforcement is on the same slippery slope.

I don’t think slope is nearly as slippery as you claim. There are miles of high friction slope between enforcing traffic laws on public roads and totalitarianism.

Edgar Friendly said it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjoSQ-lCA58