[cyphertruck]

Criminality on the part of government will only tend to increase as legal recourse is denied, until or unless, illegal recourse becomes fashionable.

[kragen]

on the contrary, illegal recourse often dramatically increases criminality on the part of government. individual illegal recourse is 'lone-wolf terrorism', organized covert illegal recourse is 'organized crime', and organized overt illegal recourse is 'insurgency' or 'civil war'. all of these situations almost invariably open doors to mass human rights abuses (criminality) on the part of the government, because it makes that criminality popular. typically, even if the insurgency wins, the increased level of government criminality persists across the regime change, often for decades or centuries

[rightbyte]

That is one of my biggest emberressments getting older. I actually start to appreciate social democrats.

[kragen]

as opposed to anarchists, as opposed to liberals, as opposed to socialists?

[rightbyte]

I see none of those as 'chill', so ye. Maybe actual boring liberals in a American context. When I was younger I despised social democrats, but I realized I would not want eager young people like I was decide things.