[rightbyte]

That is one of my biggest emberressments getting older. I actually start to appreciate social democrats.

[kragen]

as opposed to anarchists, as opposed to liberals, as opposed to socialists?

[rightbyte]

I see none of those as 'chill', so ye. Maybe actual boring liberals in a American context. When I was younger I despised social democrats, but I realized I would not want eager young people like I was decide things.