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by niij 700 days ago
I'm following you on pay. But to act like "unlimited" pto or vacation time is a good benefit is a joke. Unlimited, to me, is 365 days off per year.
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True that! I use probably 15 days of "unlimited" leave and still manage to feel guilty about it.

The frustrating thing for people in fed jobs is that if you hit your 13 days that's it (during your first 3 years in government). It can be impossible to get PTO until you build up hours again. You have to either quit, negotiate LWOP (often seen as a performance adverse metric on your record), or work. So if you land a sweet concert ticket, see a flight deal, have a friend get married, etc. you better hope you've banked up the leave for it. Since you gain hours every 2 weeks (4, 6 or 8 depending on service) you also start out in government with virtually no leave and can't actually take a 2 week trip until you've been there almost a full year.

> It can be impossible to get PTO until you build up hours again. You have to either quit, negotiate LWOP (often seen as a performance adverse metric on your record), or work.

I’m not sure if this is your actual experience, or if you’re just reading the docs, but…

Most supervisors totally understand the limited leave for folks in their first two years, and they will frequently grant advance leave (basically leave that gets repaid when earned) for folks who are performing at an acceptable level.

It’s not a shit show unless someone wants to take a lot of leave before earning it.

Weddings, concerts, even helping family for health stuff… all that’s usually covered under advanced leave when necessary.

I would say that the leave situation as a fed is much easier than in an “unlimited leave” situation.

The real shitty part, imho, is “time and attendance”. Kicking out early for your kids ball game, for example, will cost leave. As a business owner, I like that I can just stop working and do whatever.