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> Russians don't care and don't think in such terms.

That's a lie and you know it. Variations of it like "We can show it again!" (that is, rape our way to Berlin) are in very widespread use among the Russian public and represent exactly the way most Russians think. Revanchism is the cornerstone of Putin's Russia, and that is also clearly present in your constant complaining how Russia has been humiliated and unfairly treated, and how it is entitled to anything more than it currently has, while the truth is that western nations spent a lot of money to relieve the humanitarian disaster that came from your own long-term mismanagement that you now try to pin on the Americans. You are - without any shame - biting the hand that fed you.

As you can see, I am polite to you and you use that opportunity to invoke the most grave insults you can think of.

Russians did indeed win World War Two as a part of victorious Allied coalition. The "raped their way to Berlin" is represents a completely undeserved slur. The German army did not consist of fertile women but of seasoned and well-armed German males who invaded Russia previously (under Meth as we've just learned) and they had to be killed first.

The Germany after the atrocities that they have done was at complete mercy of winners, who in their wisdom and kindness has chosen to spare it. We didn't have to.

The only way Russians may care about Eastern Europe is extinguishing the sources of such unpleasant noises.

> The "raped their way to Berlin" is represents a completely undeserved slur.

It does not. The war memorial that Russians erected in central Berlin is still colloquially known as "the tomb of the unknown rapist". The number of people raped by Soviet forces is estimated between 1 and 2 million, among them many well-known people, such as the wife of Helmut Kohl, raped when she was 12. At least 100 000 people were raped in Berlin alone, aged "from 8 to 80", as one Russian war correspondent put it, and often died in the process due to blood loss, were murdered or committed suicide thereafter. Victims were not only German civilians, but also from Polish, Belarussian, Ukrainian and other nationalities who had been brought to Germany as slave labor. War correspondents like Vasily Grossman have recorded vivid descriptions of the gang rapes and other depravity; I believe it was Grossman who described a German village - whatever house he looked into, each had women on beds, dead, with dried pools of blood between legs.

And the typical response from Russians is that of yours: how they should be thankful that you didn't rape even more. You have the audacity to call it kindness.

And of course, anyone who dares to remind of this is making "unpleasant noises" and should be "extinguished". We can all see in Ukraine what that means. Murder, torture and systematic rape once again. A lot of elderly people in Europe are disturbed more than the rest by reports of Russian conduct in Ukraine because they remember it from their own youth. Despite their limited income, they are some of the most generous sponsors of aid to Ukraine.

> The number of people raped by Soviet forces is estimated between 1 and 2 million, among them many well-known people, such as the wife of Helmut Kohl, raped when she was 12.

No Russian would accuse their grand dad that has taken Berlin of anything, before walking in his shoes first. Walking to the Berlin obviously.

Around 2 millions of Russian civilians starved in Leningrad during the Nazi siege.

I'm honestly not sure which kind of a different response would one expect after murdering more than 20 million Soviet citizens in the four years before that. You do not want to ever bring this topic into conversation because you're going to look worse than the side you are accusing. "We said we are sorry" is not good enough, just like the post-Soviet borders. I believe Germans should start going around whacking annoying Eastern Europeans over the head when they try to dig out this hideous mass grave again. Extremely annoying behavior.

Still, our ancestors had to kill all of armed to the teeth German males first, and that was no small feat, that we are still proud of; and obviously they were 100% righteous in doing so. Then all the Eastern Europeans who we "set free" did their little ethnic cleansing against Germans. I've heard Czech has expelled circa 300,000 Germans, killing several tens of thousands in the process. Ditto Poland.

> I'm honestly not sure which kind of a different response would one expect after murdering more than 20 million Soviet citizens in the four years before that.

Ah yes, FOUR years, 1941-1945. Because the year 1939, when you signed a secret pact with Hitler dividing Europe, jointly invaded Poland and even held a joint military parade celebrating victory over Poland, didn't exist. Nor did 1940, when you invaded the Baltics and Romania, and supplied oil and other key materials in defiance of economic blockade to the Nazi war machine as German bombers were flying sorties over London, and your own were bombing Helsinki, with "bread baskets for starving Finns" as the propaganda put it (Finns invented the Molotov cocktail as a drink to go with that generous gesture). None of this happened. The war started in June 1941, right.

But no. The war didn't start for Europe in 1941 nor did it for Russians. Germans and Russians were the two main instigators of the Second World War and in cooperation invaded one country in Europe after another in the first two years of the war until there was no-one left but the two of them and the stage was set for the endgame.

Germans have recognized their responsibility and devoted to building a better Europe. Russia, let me check the news feed... another 5 civilians killed, 53 injured in today's drone and missile strike in the Ukrainian city of Dnipro. And god knows how many died on the frontlines defending their country, and in torture chambers on occupied territories.

There is no need to speak about digging out old graves when you are producing new ones every day.

> when you signed a secret pact with Hitler dividing Europe, jointly invaded Poland and even held a joint military parade celebrating victory over Poland

I didn't sign anything. And before that, Germany and Poland has jointly invaded Czechoslovakia and divided it between themselves. It was wild; still I don't understand why I would feel responsible for any of these events in history.

> Germans and Russians were the two main instigators of the Second World War

That is, like, just your opinion, man. I have a different one. We can agree to disagree here. Even if was just Germany and the Soviet Union fighting each other, the point about not wishing to dig up that mass grave persists. Most of the mutilated corpses there are, tragically, Russian.

> Germans have recognized their responsibility and devoted to building a better Europe

Great for them, but as a Russian I saw nothing useful coming from it my way. So why would I care.

> Russia, let me check the news feed... another 5 civilians killed, 53 injured on today's drone and missile strike in the Ukrainian city of Dnipro

So go sign some peace treaty with Putin, he has some fresh terms for it. People in Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev stop dying, but so are people in Donetsk and Belgorod and Sevastopol. After several deadly Ukraine's attacks against civilian targets in Russia, I grew tolerance to Ukrainian losses. I genuinely don't care mourning somebody other's dead when I have enough of my own.

Just don't expect us to cede any lands we paid in blood. We used to be that stupid, but I hope not anymore.

racional 717 days ago

Hey, can you point to some live instances for these fun quotes ("The masters will be back!", "We can show it again!")? Particularly from anyone public and notable? Original Russian is fine; no need to translate.

https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/4600043/pub_623f227...

"We can show it again" definitely exists

The problem is that it does not concern Eastern Europeans in any way.

I'll compile them at some point.