[sylware]

wayland annoys the toxic people, because it is currently favoring easy alternative implementations.

It won't last, probably.

Those toxic people usually always get their way into "core", pouring tons and tons of interfaces and dirty everything, viciously adding "features" to provoke some level of planned obsolescences over some few years cycles.

Pure evil.

[ahartmetz]

I'm not sure who you are being sarcastic about in the end, but yes, Wayland is indeed clean and simple enough to not particularly discourage alternative implementations.

[sylware]

Huh.

Indeed, we agree.

We just need to do the hardest part: keep it clean and simple to not particularly discourage alternative implementations... on the long run.

[immibis]

For example, it's vitally important that wayland resists adding features like title bars, window icons, resize handles, desktop icons, or mouse cursors. These frivolous features have no place in a serious desktop environment! They are only bloat!

[ahartmetz]

...while also doing what users want and expect.

[sylware]

... while avoiding their tantrums which will most likely destroy that "clean and simple".

[immibis]

"tantrums" is when you expect windows to be delineated with borders apparently. You got the Wayland attitude down pat: are we the problem? No, it's the users who are wrong!

[sylware]

This does not concern wayland, this is a user choice, the choice of a wayland compositor.