[pavlov]

The web is not just for "real products". It's also a platform with tens of millions of hobbyists and dabblers writing HTML and JavaScript.

I promise you they will use any feature that's documented on MDN as being available in all browsers. And ES modules do make life easier for someone who's just writing HTML and JS and doesn't know anything about build tools.

IMO, it's the wrong attitude that we should focus on the professional ecosystem and forget about this use case. Probably most people writing front-end code got their start by creating a HTML file in Notepad (or equivalent) and loading it via file:// into the browser.

[rezokun]

Well, that's what I'm talking about. These web standards are not for real use, but for idealists who do not develop real products. And because of their idealistic desires, we ended up with a fragmented ecosystem and made the life of developers more difficult. Good job.

[wolvesechoes]

By 'real product' you mean yet another generic 'web app' that does the same as other hundred generic 'web apps' but its marketing team says differently?

[rezokun]

By 'real product' I mean real existing product in real world, not in the fantasies of native_js witnesses.