[epilys]

You are mixing up two concepts here, that of the domesticated species and the domesticated individual animal. The article talks about the former. The latter means taming an individual of a species. Dogs are by definition domesticated wolves and depend on humans for survival in general.

[fuzzfactor]

>Horses may have been domesticated twice

When I read the title, I was thinking I like a horse that's been domesticated the whole time :)

Former or latter, I don't want to actually participate in the full rodeo experience.

[aorloff]

Plenty of dogs live wild mostly off the waste stream of humans, but they are not domesticated. Lets call them coyotes.

[colechristensen]

Let’s not. A feral dog is behaviorally very different than a coyote or a wolf.

A wolf pup raised by humans won’t be anything like a tame dog.

People whose animal experiences are limited to pets and zoos have many wrong ideas about how real wild animals are.

[jajko]

What about dingoes? The best guess is they were domesticated and then went feral some 5-8k years ago. These days, in places like Fraser island in Australia, you have big fences for campers to not get eaten by packs of those and you need to drive everywhere, they would not hesitate for a second if given a chance.

[lukan]

The aborigines (till they themself were domisticated) had dingos as dogs and my interactions with them on Fraser Island were in a way like with wild dogs who wanted to get BBQ.

So definitely dangerous, but not in a Wolf way.

[ffgjgf1]

Wouldn’t wolves generally be significantly less dangerous because they are generally more skittish and avoid being near humans?

One of the main issues with feral/wild dogs (or wolf hybrids) is that they are much less afraid of humans and therefore are more likely to attack livestock, pets or even actual people when given the opportunity. Under normal circumstances actual wolf attacks are (and probably were historically) and feral/hybrid dogs are just attributed to them.

[inglor_cz]

Hmmm.

There used to be a huge population of stray dogs in Balkan cities after 1990. (Contraception and culling reduced the numbers quite a bit since then.)

Most of the time, they just went out of people's way, individually or in loose packs. Attacks on humans did happen, but weren't a daily occurrence.

That said, a stray dog in a big city will always find food, so they weren't hungry.

[lukan]

In general yes. I meant when a wolf attacks, he will not toy around and show himself before the attack, like the dingos did.

[aorloff]

Behaviorally very different. In other words, in just a few generations the distinctions we make ("dogs" "coyotes") are irrelevant.

[rightbyte]

> People whose animal experiences are limited to pets and zoos have many wrong ideas about how real wild animals are.

How are they? Really shy and prefer cermonial fights?

I would guess a stray dog is a bigger threat than a wild wolf that have not got its instincts breed away to have the fur in a special way.

(Note, I don't mean I'd rather be in room with a wolf than a stray dog. But that the wolf would bail 1 mile away from me.)

[Xeyz0r]

It's really interesting topic to discuss