No but you need propaganda to push NATO borders on Russia, arm a coup, start a civil unrest, fund a war, destroy a peace treaty (Turkey 2022) and then drip feed arms to destroy two countries at same time.
Even in a thread about sick US propaganda, the apologists find an excuse for war.
I'm not a fan of either side. I really really don't like how America is overlooking the literal Nazis in Ukraine they are funding while pretending that various legitimate political positions on US social policies are equivalent to "Nazism".
But I also don't think any of these things justify invading Ukraine. "Pushing NATO borders on Russia"? Why does that justify invading Ukraine? If every country next to Russia joined NATO, that still wouldn't justify it.
> But I also don't think any of these things justify invading Ukraine.
Russian intervention was triggered by Kyiv botching the Minsk agreements and terminating ceasefire. That's the prime reason, since Russia is legally bound to provide military aid to Donetsk by the abovementioned agreement. Western propaganda is hard on erasing the side that never supported the coup in Kyiv.
Everything else are just additional grievances, i.e. assuming that the current Ukrainian government is crazy and non-sovereign enough to allow deployment of missiles previously forbidden by the recently dissolved INF treaty.
There's only one group which this could possibly refer to -- the Azov Brigade. You can say anything you want to about them -- but they definitely are not "literal Nazis", and that's their entire point.
Assuming you literally mean the literal sense of "literal" here.
I am referring to Azov, you're delusional if you think the brigade with literal Nazi symbols as their main insignia is not literal Nazis. They are powerful fighters, but any state with a semblance of wanting Western and US assistance should have disbanded the group, changed its name, changed its symbols, and put in place rules to stop them from constantly having Nazi insignia in their uniforms.
Is terrible propaganda, and it can be easily stopped. That's the most generous way of looking at it. The worst way, is that we'll have another "Fund the Taliban against Russia and see what happens" pt. 2 when the war is over and Azov beats all other parties to rule the area afterwards
That sounds a bit like Russian propaganda you know. Like Russia sending the tanks to kill Ukrainians and take their land is all the fault of the horrible people pushing peace and democracy.
How else something contradicting western propaganda is supposed to sound like?
> all the fault of the horrible people pushing peace and democracy
Please don't push this "nothing was happening in Donbas before 22". It's ignorant at best and just cruel at worst.
Using the peaceful reunification agreement as a way to stall and to prepare for war against dissidents has nothing to do with "pushing peace and democracy".