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by danfritz 730 days ago
Ha great we finally arrive at the "Next.js React features" which basically forces everyone to use Next.js or an additional framework on top of React which now have to play catchup with whatever react - next.js think is "best" (for Vercels wallet). Expected outcome if half or the react core team is a Vercel employee.

Kinda new this day was coming, sad to see it actually happen
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meiraleal 730 days ago
I'm not sure yet if I'm happy or sad with Vercel's destruction of React. After 10 years of React, I think imploding it from inside was the only way React could lose its lead. They achieved it!

Even tho we don't have a clear alternative yet.

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joquarky 730 days ago
I'm old, but I still think that knockout.js is the bee's knees.
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dudus 730 days ago
Svelte and solid are nice alternatives.
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meiraleal 730 days ago
I tried svelte but it is not it too. I'm happy with Lit tho, have no plans to change with all the Web Components interop. With React 19 I can ship most components in Lit and create a React shell and everybody is happy, me and my customers.
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azemetre 730 days ago
Since Vercel is doing this to React why would we think they wouldn’t also do this to Svelte?

Maybe I should check out Vue again, there’s something to be said about open source libraries that succeed without corporate ownership.

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yencabulator 730 days ago
Svelte has a seamless SSR framework called SvelteKit that is platform-agnostic and made by the same people who make Svelte in the first place.
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azemetre 730 days ago
Yes but the issue is that Vercel has all the core Svelte maintainers on their payroll too. My Q is why would we expect Vercel to not interject as well? I mean we have evidence they did this in one community library, why not another? That is the risk.
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meiraleal 729 days ago
Talking about that, Vercel suddenly ejected many open source projects they "sponsored".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40682711

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yencabulator 730 days ago
Svelte has a pretty prominent BDFL, having to corrupt him first might be enough.

Personally, I think the moment SvelteKit stops working on plain container images & Cloudflare Workers is the moment Svelte dies.

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harrisi 730 days ago
This is why I'm sad about Svelte core being maintained by Vercel employees as well. They have definitely positioned themselves well to be in control of a lot of modern web development and deployment, but it makes me not want to use Svelte, SvelteKit, React, or Next.

Vue is the only main independent framework that exists now, apart from jQuery.

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