[meiraleal]

I'm not sure yet if I'm happy or sad with Vercel's destruction of React. After 10 years of React, I think imploding it from inside was the only way React could lose its lead. They achieved it!

Even tho we don't have a clear alternative yet.

[joquarky]

I'm old, but I still think that knockout.js is the bee's knees.

[dudus]

Svelte and solid are nice alternatives.

[meiraleal]

I tried svelte but it is not it too. I'm happy with Lit tho, have no plans to change with all the Web Components interop. With React 19 I can ship most components in Lit and create a React shell and everybody is happy, me and my customers.

[azemetre]

Since Vercel is doing this to React why would we think they wouldn’t also do this to Svelte?

Maybe I should check out Vue again, there’s something to be said about open source libraries that succeed without corporate ownership.

[yencabulator]

Svelte has a seamless SSR framework called SvelteKit that is platform-agnostic and made by the same people who make Svelte in the first place.

[azemetre]

Yes but the issue is that Vercel has all the core Svelte maintainers on their payroll too. My Q is why would we expect Vercel to not interject as well? I mean we have evidence they did this in one community library, why not another? That is the risk.

[meiraleal]

Talking about that, Vercel suddenly ejected many open source projects they "sponsored".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40682711

[yencabulator]

Svelte has a pretty prominent BDFL, having to corrupt him first might be enough.

Personally, I think the moment SvelteKit stops working on plain container images & Cloudflare Workers is the moment Svelte dies.

[rich_harris]

This simply isn't going to happen.

[meiraleal]

> Svelte has a pretty prominent BDFL, having to corrupt him first might be enough.

I don't know him personally, but the power dynamics is clear: one person vs a corporation is often just one attractive offer away from significant changes