[prmoustache]

Nobody wants to tackle the elephant in the room. I don't care if Tesla, Byd or another manufacturer give me a few kms more of range. First I want a car that doesn't send data to the manufacturer and/or third parties and do not track me.

Does that unicorn still even exist or do I have to wait for UE to do something about it?

[Symbiote]

That's nothing to do with the vehicle's type of engine

[prmoustache]

No but old ice cars did not have data collection and I can still buy one and will as long as law permit it and I cannot control where and when data is sent.

[number6]

EU is your best bet here - but frist you have to wait for the decline of the German Car Complex, so the EU is not in their pocket anymore. If it guards their marked to have high privacy standards in cars, then it will be enforced.

[rom16384]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall

[prmoustache]

I am fine with that kind of system if: - data is only sent to emergency services - data is only sent when required (crash detection, airbag deployment, manual call through button etc)

And it is unrelated to all the data the manufacturers collect.

[M95D]

How do you know? Did you set up a fake cell tower to MitM the communications? No? Then you actually don't know.

[number6]

Nothing is too far out, that it wasn't actually done: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40642801

[prmoustache]

I am talking about the theory. I don't have a car.

[gizmo]

The EU does not have a great track record with regard to privacy. "Connected cars" can easily be sold to regulators as necessary for safety. When a choice has to be made between privacy and safety (or "safety") the EU chooses safety every time.

Cars will monitor driver attention, reckless driving, speeding and tattle to the manufacturer and insurance company. I expect these changes to be gradual and people will grouch about it before ultimately relenting.

[zug_zug]

It looks like you can remove the cell chip for certain toyotas at least (DCM). But I agree with you, I'd rather have a no-track-me camry than a porchse 911.

I wonder if part of the reason that there's such a resistance to chinese cars is because they wouldn't give free tracking data to the US government.