[wakawaka28]

Your "good guys" use slave labor and harvest organs from prisoners. Their people suffer under censorship as they instigate domestic conflicts abroad. They are just as imperialist as anyone else you can imagine, but they are still challenged by the US. If they get into a dominant position, prepare to be censored or disappeared in your own country because of what they think of your online comments.

[Ekaros]

Bad guys loved slavery so much they enshrined it in the document they value the most. Maybe if they got rid of the entire thing I might trust them even tiny bit...

And about prisoners weren't there just post in HN how organs got harvested as well from prisoners? Some that end up dead by "suicide" if they might have something against people in power. Or how some whistle-blowers about to criticize important part of their terrorism-complex end up dead... One makes wonder just how good and moral the citizenry are if people behind that sort of stuff keep getting elected...

[wakawaka28]

The US had slavery over a hundred and fifty years ago, at a time when it was common practice. Over 600k men died fighting to end slavery. When China has such an uprising over its slavery, then you can lecture us about it. Ok?

As for the other stuff you mention, it is well-known that there are sketchy things done by people in power in virtually every country. So in some sense, there are no good guys. But to say China is on par with the US on human rights is ridiculous on the face of it. People are silenced constantly in China over mundane stuff that makes the government look bad. If you won't submit to thug tactics, they will put you in prison.

There are like a million people working to censor the Chinese internet. Just yesterday I heard about a bus crash in China involving the death of a little girl, and the government was threatening the parents and witnesses, and stealing flowers from the site of the accident. If you want to live under that kind of oppression, go move to China. I think you're probably a Chinese propaganda agent but I say it anyway.

[subjectsigma]

Let me get this straight. You don’t like the US because we removed slavery from our Constitution instead of just removing the Constitution? What were we supposed to do instead?

[Ekaros]

No you put it in there. Slavery is now part of the document it is explicitly approved and glorified part of that document. Only way to really fix that sort of thing is to get rid of such evil document entirely. Correct way would have been total and absolute ban. But instead it was chosen not to do that. But to add only tiny clause against it.

[subjectsigma]

Can you point me to the part where it says that? I’ll be sure to vote to change it and/or call my representatives, something I do every so often.

In the meantime while we’re working on that, do you know of any countries where I couldn’t do that? Perhaps places where the state sponsored social media would censor these words I’m typing before they made it to you. I want to keep a list and avoid buying microwaves from those places

[Ekaros]

Paraphrased the 13th amendment says slavery or involuntary servitude shall be used as punishment for crime. That if anything in my reading is absolute support for slavery. Which should be clear looking at how high ratio of people in the USA is punished for crimes.

[maxerickson]

That's not a reasonable paraphrasing. There's no directive that it "shall be used", there's an exception to the statement that it isn't allowed to exist.

I can understand objecting to penal labor, but you are over in "words don't mean things" territory.

[subjectsigma]

Sure, let’s assume that’s a problem. The wording is not great, I don’t like it, let’s get rid of it. I’m still not sure how that requires re-writing the whole thing?

I also wonder - if you’re so opposed to slavery, what do you think about https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studie... ? You did call them the good guys.

EDIT: it’s not even zero in Finland! https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/map/#mode=map:...