[Ekaros]

Paraphrased the 13th amendment says slavery or involuntary servitude shall be used as punishment for crime. That if anything in my reading is absolute support for slavery. Which should be clear looking at how high ratio of people in the USA is punished for crimes.

[maxerickson]

That's not a reasonable paraphrasing. There's no directive that it "shall be used", there's an exception to the statement that it isn't allowed to exist.

I can understand objecting to penal labor, but you are over in "words don't mean things" territory.

[subjectsigma]

Sure, let’s assume that’s a problem. The wording is not great, I don’t like it, let’s get rid of it. I’m still not sure how that requires re-writing the whole thing?

I also wonder - if you’re so opposed to slavery, what do you think about https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studie... ? You did call them the good guys.

EDIT: it’s not even zero in Finland! https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/map/#mode=map:...

[Ekaros]

https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studie...

Gives 3.3 people per thousand in slavery. If the people there were good human beings should it not be zero? They have had much longer time to fix this, but have done absolutely nothing clearly. So they must be the bad guys, don't you agree? At least we can agree that they are comparatively worse guys. As they have had much longer to fight against slavery but have not done it.

[subjectsigma]

No, I don’t agree and your argument makes no sense. Slavery has historically gone down in American but is going up in China. Clearly we have not done “absolutely nothing”. I don’t know what you mean by “a longer time”, slavery has existed in China since well before the current Chinese regime.

America is not perfect (maybe not even good) but your attempt to portray them as “worse” than China is nonsensical, the Chinese NK and Russian governments are as bad as it gets in 2024