> Also GrapheneOS supports almost exclusively Pixels, so I would think that they aren't that bad.
I don't think that necessarily follows; GrapheneOS uses the Pixel line because it lets you install a custom ROM and relock the bootloader, and they're a security-focused ROM so that's a big deal to them.
Hmm I think it's not only that: "We strongly recommend only purchasing one of the following devices [those are exclusively Pixels] for GrapheneOS due to better security and a long minimum support guarantee from launch for full security updates and other improvements": https://grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices
Sure. My point was just that there is value for those who care about security.
Also I have quite a few friends (many Android devs) who have had Pixels for years, and seem happy. My point was that I don't think Pixels are particularly bad. In fact, they are pretty good in some metrics. And very far from being "pieces of shit" like the original comment is saying.
I personally have a Fairphone, which I believe is very good in what it does. But very different from e.g. a Samsung flagship, of course.
I swap between Androids and iPhones every 18-24 months, so I can stay current on both. I use both equally well, and find both to be fine, generally.
I've used a lot of Androids over the years, but the Pixels, in my case, all had substantial issues that never should have been, which really is garbage, considering the price.
I don't think that necessarily follows; GrapheneOS uses the Pixel line because it lets you install a custom ROM and relock the bootloader, and they're a security-focused ROM so that's a big deal to them.