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by tferris 5136 days ago
What I like about DDG:

- Somebody is trying to improve the search engine space which is too long dominated by just one party (which admittedly makes a damn good job)

What I don't like:

- I don't see any improvements

- Don't like their name

- Crappy logo

- Too long domain name (with some skills and little money, a great 4-letter dot com is a no brainer)

- The product is awkward to use: the entire UI is the #1 reason to leave and aesthetically not pleasing, too many colors (red, blue, green), no CI, favicons are distracting, screen real estate isn't used effectively, mouse over effects are distracting and feel like clumsy Web 2.0 sites in 2005 => even Bing's new interface is very much nicer

- Search results got better but seem to lack any relevance algorithm such as Google's Pagerank

- Shortcuts are nice but more some kind of an gimmick than real revolution and they are not helpful at all because people who do not use DDG regularly forget them: either they have to be displayed all the time somewhere next to the results or directly on the landing page or they have to be consistent and expressive as Google's syntax which is "site:<site_to_be_searched> query"—if this shortcuts are one of DDG's main features then they have to tell it.

- No autocomplete, no instant search

I think DDG's and the team main problem is a heavy lack of product vision—they just think search is a great business model (yes it is) and they want to do something to just be better than the market leader. And this 'something' is their biggest weakness, they just don't know what to improve, on what to focus. Google's search is so good, that it's gonna hard to improve but still there are some fields where Google can be beaten (anonymous search, irrelevant results for longer queries because of SEO gaming/blackhat). Instead they just brought up a really ugly design and the user wonders all the 15 seconds he's exploring DDG why he should use DDG.

DDG has to pick one of Google's weaknesses and focus just on this and they have also to position DDG accordingly and communicate this focus/USP heavily. Otherwise DDG is like G+ to FB, just a bad copy.

I can image how hard it must be to build a search engine from scratch, there's just too much tech involved and crawling all the web could take months even if you have hundreds of servers (imagine: Google crawls even smaller sites with more than 20,000 pages per day (!), how does anyone want to build such crawling power with little VC money and some hype posts from Fred Wilson??). But maybe that's the chance: a new player has to focus on something small—a feature, a content niche, whatever, just a MVP that is in its core much, much better than Google. Building and promising the entire Google search experience will lead to fail.

7 comments

> - Too long domain name (with some skills and little money, a great 4-letter dot com is a no brainer)

They do have ddg.gg as a short alias to the full domain, though that doesn't address the .com suggestion at all. For that, they also have dukgo.com which I thought was another alias, but it appears that's being used for a community platform now.

I think it would have made more sense to reverse those two domains and have dukgo.com point to the search engine itself, and leave the more esoteric ddg.gg domain to the community platform. People invested in the platform would have an easier time remembering the "weird" domain than the general public (i.e. the folks who they need to use the search engine) would.

Regarding the UI, have you looked at the "Settings" page? Most of the UI is fully customizable -- you can change almost all of the colours you see, you can even remove many features such as the icons, sidebar, 0-click box, even the ads!

You can also adjust the layout of your results: alignment, page width, font and font size, underlining of links, etc.

Clearly they've provided a multitude of options, you just need to try them out.

Also, they do allow site search using the same syntax as Google.

Google has four colours in their name.

The length of the url isn't that big of a deal to me. I just type 'du' and the first url autosuggested is duckduckgo.

> Google has four colours in their name.

Yes, but just in their logo, that's ok because the rest of Google stands behind the expressive logo, is clear, has lots of white space, decent colors etc.

Now go to DDG: read header, blue search button on result page and green search button on landing, what the heck?? Strange colors in the text results and this ugly duck, sorry but getting a really nice duck on freelancer.com or 99design from a talented artist is a job of 500 USD.

> The length of the url isn't that big of a deal to me. I just type 'du' and the first url autosuggested is duckduckgo.

No, it's a big deal even if your browser provides autocomplete, The domain is everything: their brand, their name and will used anywhere and all the time. Just saying "check duckduckgo for searching this and that" or "i duckduckgoed my name" to your friend or colleague is too much communication overhead, too many syllables for something which is too important in our lifes nowadays.

And those both points bug me, because if they haven't done their basic homework on the frontend side who tells me that they done them on the backend side where it is more important (relevance algorithm)—why should I trust DDG's search results if they are not able to setup a proper brand communcation and interface?

Google's search button is grey on the landing page and blue on the results page. Does anyone actually click the search button? Heck, does anyone actually even go to the landing page? I don't think I've ever actually used DDG's landing page, I just use the Chrome address bar...
You can use http://ddg.gg if domain length is enough of an issue for you.
I do see improvements. I often see information captured from the top result and displayed in the box at the top of the search. I've had better results on ddg on numerous occasions.

http://ddg.gg

I don't have any further disagreements.

I love the name and the logo. The search result page is uncluttered & pretty enough.
nice summary of shortcomings. but for me the biggest one is missing: highly special search queries (yesterday: about erlang, rebar and obscure release building failures) return virtually no usable results. google was way better.

somehow related, i like that they include links to google below their search results.