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by lotsofpulp 820 days ago
All of which was properly disclosed. Sophisticated buyers knew the risks and chose to take them.
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Those seem like bad faith actions, disclosed or not.
I see no reason to assume what someone was or was not thinking in this case. Both parties had sufficient resources to do due diligence, and both parties engaged completely voluntarily under zero duress.
Qualifiers tell me all I need to know, 'sufficient resources'. Playing others and not the field
it's not illegal. The investors needs to caveat emptor and they did(nt).
Not talking to the legality; someone can do bad things and still be following the law.
My heuristic is that whenever someone insists on emphasizing that something iS NoT iLlEgAl, then they're probably trying to obscure that something is wrong.
Success is had by bending the rules without breaking them.
Only if you view rules as pointless adversaries to be beaten. But often rules exist for good reasons to keep people safe and keep interactions fair and trustworthy.

Bending rules isn't something that you should take inherent pride in, and personally, it always lowers my opinion of such people.

Self dealing is very much breaking the rules. Sure, maybe the powers that be let it slide, but it is not playing fair.

Edit: in fact, when the musical chairs stopped and the IPO failed, there were lawsuits about the self dealing. So long as people were making money the board were willing to look the other way.

That is a lazy take used to justify the actions of bad people.
This is a lazy take on morality. Neumann enriched himself from wealthy, supposedly sophisticated investors. So sad. He took (not stole, took) from the rich (which they willingly handed over), gave to himself, and walks around free with no criminal prosecution to speak of.

We might disagree on what constitutes “bad people.”

Dishonest ones is a good start
Everyone lies. Context and intent is what matters.
> Sophisticated buyers

... as in, himself?

No, the people who bought the equity with which Neumann was able to enrich himself. Neumann sold the equity.