[thunfisch]

Did I read this wrong, or is the article essentially "Microsoft screws up security over and over again. Let's throw humans in Russia that are exposing these vulnerabilities under the bus of a dictatorship and possibly get them killed in a war. Instead of forcing the gigantic cooperation to not screw up security over and over again and finally clean their house"?

Wow.

[hyperpape]

I agree with your top level point, but I find your phrasing absurd.

The "humans who are exposing those vulnerabilities" are doing it to profit by committing extremely disruptive attacks on random businesses, hospitals, and important infrastructure.

I don't support literally getting them killed, but they're not innocent hackers driven by curiosity the way your comment makes it sound.

[tw04]

> Let's throw humans in Russia that are exposing these vulnerabilities under the bus of a dictatorship and possibly get them killed in a war.

Am I reading this right that you’re more concerned with Russian assets that hack US companies for both financial gain and political leverage, than the US citizens whose lives are put at risk? What exactly do you think happens when a ransomware gang locks down a hospital?

[thunfisch]

I'm concerned with suggesting that it's enough to fight one group of adversaries, which will then be replaced with another group, and another, instead of actually fixing the underlying issue. Suggesting threat of life to those people (which is a very real thing for russians now) is no better than what happens when a ransomware gang locks down a hospital. That would be fighting fire with fire.

[dralley]

Por que no los dos.

[MrYellowP]

"assets" ... "citizens".

What you call "assets" are people too, by the way.

[fakedang]

Terrorists, plane hijackers and mass murderers are people too, by the way. /s

[MrYellowP]

Yes, brainiac, they're people too. Doesn't make them "good" people, sure, but they're people too. Everyone gets born into some fucked up system, brainwashed into believing whatever he needs to believe so he thinks he's the good guy doing the right things.

Once you start dehumanizing, you won't stop dehumanizing. Eventually only people you agree with will be considered "people", and boom, you're a fascist.

[fakedang]

Most terrorists aren't born into some fucked up system. They cultivate those feelings slowly by letting themselves exposed to the wrong set of people, values, etc.

The Glasgow bombers were doctors who studied with my cousin in Saudi Arabia back in the day. My cousin didn't go around making bombs though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_Airport_attack

[MadnessASAP]

The authors point was to treat cyberattacks just like physical attacks. If a country attacks you, you don't just tell your own military that they need to step up their game and close the holes. You seriously consider going and killing the bastards that attacked you, even if they exploited your own weakness, even if you made mistakes and could have prevented it.

[zygentoma]

> Did I read this wrong

Yes, I think you did. I read it as two different snippets of thought published together with even more in a single blog post.

[MattGaiser]

> exposing these vulnerabilities

For profit. These people are criminals who are stealing from American companies.