[tw04]

> Let's throw humans in Russia that are exposing these vulnerabilities under the bus of a dictatorship and possibly get them killed in a war.

Am I reading this right that you’re more concerned with Russian assets that hack US companies for both financial gain and political leverage, than the US citizens whose lives are put at risk? What exactly do you think happens when a ransomware gang locks down a hospital?

[thunfisch]

I'm concerned with suggesting that it's enough to fight one group of adversaries, which will then be replaced with another group, and another, instead of actually fixing the underlying issue. Suggesting threat of life to those people (which is a very real thing for russians now) is no better than what happens when a ransomware gang locks down a hospital. That would be fighting fire with fire.

[dralley]

Por que no los dos.

[MrYellowP]

"assets" ... "citizens".

What you call "assets" are people too, by the way.

[fakedang]

Terrorists, plane hijackers and mass murderers are people too, by the way. /s

[MrYellowP]

Yes, brainiac, they're people too. Doesn't make them "good" people, sure, but they're people too. Everyone gets born into some fucked up system, brainwashed into believing whatever he needs to believe so he thinks he's the good guy doing the right things.

Once you start dehumanizing, you won't stop dehumanizing. Eventually only people you agree with will be considered "people", and boom, you're a fascist.

[fakedang]

Most terrorists aren't born into some fucked up system. They cultivate those feelings slowly by letting themselves exposed to the wrong set of people, values, etc.

The Glasgow bombers were doctors who studied with my cousin in Saudi Arabia back in the day. My cousin didn't go around making bombs though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_Airport_attack