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by ninja3925 827 days ago
Why does the US have to get involved? Wouldn’t Arab countries, be more suited to conduct such operations?
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This action undermines Israel’s blockade, and could be seen as an act of war, so it’s important the US lead the effort.

The article does mention that other countries are participating and helping as well though.

What’s embarrassing here for the US is that they have to basically force the aid in. They don’t seem willing to use their full leverage to let the aid in the normal way

> What’s embarrassing here for the US is that they have to basically force the aid in. They don’t seem willing to use their full leverage to let the aid in the normal way

This is part of the US exercising its "full leverage". Demonstrating that obstruction is ultimately futile is a component of leverage.

Why should Arab countries fix a problem they haven't created?

This looks to me as a proxy war led by the US, Israel went too far with killing civilians, and now the US needs some PR to look good in the books of history.

Haven't Arab countries contributed to both sides of this conflict? One, by expelling all Jews in their countries to Israel. Two, by supplying arms and aid to Hamas.
yes, Arab countries will fight Israel to the last Palestinian.
In Romania, we let our Ukrainian neighbors take refuge with us.

Why won't Arabs allow Palestinian refugees in, so that Israel can pursue Hamas without collateral deaths?

Because Romanian authorities can reasonably believe many of these Ukrainian neighbors will be allowed to return once hostilities are over. In contrast, history has shown once and again that, once Israel manages to expel Palestinians and take their lands, none of them will be allowed to ever return. Taking refugees become the same as abetting ethnic cleansing.
"Never let a good crisis go to waste."

There'll be plenty of new contracts and aid money to go around.

Sure, but I'm not convinced that, apart from annoying Israel or the US, those countries really care. Arms shipments to Hamas perhaps if they could get them in right now, but aid - not likely.

Maybe I'm wrong. I just haven't seen the other Arab or Muslim countries really do much when there wasn't a conflict.

The US is partially responsible, they've sold Israel most of their armament
> Why does the US have to get involved? Wouldn’t Arab countries, be more suited to conduct such operations?

No, no other country is more suited to, on an emergency basis, construct a port like this.

This is a blinkered and naive view of the rest of the world.
Sure, if they want to jump into a conflict with Israel. US can't be touched like they could. Also, situation is out of hand and US has been indirectly involved. On top of it, it's an election year and the lack of the US speaking up has hurt Biden's numbers.
Biden is losing support among the left (which he only tenuously had to begin with) for his support of Israel so he has to try to pivot and pretend to care about Palestinians.
His support of Israel is what allows him to pull moves like this, providing more aid to Palestinians than those who more directly support Palestine.
Israel is a essentially satelite of the US.
Some would say the US is a essentially satellite of Israel

I had an interesting conversation with some left-leaning friends about a month, who were very much anti-Israel in this. (We're British, educated, and Middle class, so statistically we all lean to the left on a scale of UK politics)

I was the only person to have ever been to Israel in the group (I've been to Israel and the West bank more times than I can count, and Gaza several times). They were shocked when I came out with a far more balanced view of the conflict than they had. To them it was black and white oppression of an innocent group of people, and nothing more. They had no concept of the generational hatred that people in Gaza are brainwashed with from birth, on the other hand they also didn't have any concept that there were some Israeli citizens who have spend the last 15 years I've been going there chomping at the bit to drive their tank's into gaza and flatted the entire place.

It's hard to blame the brainwashed children in Gaza, or to continue to blame them when they turn 18, but it's also hard to blame the majority of Israelis who are fully aware there are a million people who have been programmed to want to rip them from their beds and gut them in the middle of the night, or for the moderate ones just burn their house down and kick them out of the region.

The internet never comes out with any decent progression on the problem, and any subtlety is swiftly lost, but one thing is clear -- nothing is going to get better, and nobody is going to win, neither Palestinians nor for Israelis, for generations.

You talk of Palestinians as if they have no agency.

Let me ask you this. Were Catholics in Northern Ireland brainwashed to hate the English? Or is it simply more plausible that living under occupation where the rulers of your state seem to not recognize your existence naturally develop hatred towards their occupiers.

And then, who do you consider your occupier is also a subjective matter. Surely many militant Sinn Féin members felt all English were guilty for the occupation, and wanted all Protestants of their lands. Similarly I have no doubt many Hamas members feel the same. But I’m equally sure much more Irish Catholics had much more complex feelings. Most probably made distinctions between involvements of the military, parliament, civilians, etc. and wanted some mix of control over their own affairs, equal rights, police reform, the British military off their lands, etc.

I actually don’t believe your simple narrative. The feelings Palestinians have of Israelis are equally complex as the feeling Irish Catholics had over the English. Nobody has been brainwashed (and frankly it is a bit racist to claim that) but rather have developed their own feelings with full agency.

Here is a headline from today:

> Blinken tells Israel that it must act urgently to boost Gaza aid

It sounds like an order to me. And considering that I think Israel is a US satellite, I think it will come to pass. Let's wait and see.

No other US ally has as much sway in US politics as Israel, not Canada, not the UK, not Japan.
They get a lot of economic and military aid, but other than that?
>'End this war of aggression' in Ukraine, Blinken tells Russia's Lavrov at G20.

It sounds like an order to me

> Israel is a essentially satellite of the US.

Its not, though, and if it were, this wouldn't be necessary.