[s_dev]

>and pays Apple nothing for the services that have helped make them one of the most recognizable brands in the world.

It says a lot that the €100 developer fee (I'd imagine Spotify pay for multiple licences in multiple countries) that Apple consider it nothing. It probably is 'negligible' given the size of Spotify but also don't even consider highly popular apps like Spotify 'contributing' to App Store ecosystem that has also helped Apple.

Their press statements are starting to become more and more snarky. They would do better to keep their chin up and keep going. This sort of snark is more befitting of Ryanair than Apple.

[piva00]

Apple is not taking in consideration that the argument works completely in reverse, without all the apps paying them a 30% cut, or developers investing time into creating apps for their ecosystem there would be no iOS in 2024.

[mohamedattahri]

I don't think this is a valid argument, because both sides of it are true. Developers invested, but so did Apple, and they did it first and took bigger risks.

The App Store is packed with apps because developers saw an opportunity and wanted to seize it. Everyone's in it because it serves their interests.

[addicted]

This is a reversal of history.

The iPhone released without an App Store. Their original plan was very clearly to limit it to web apps. Apple, including Steve Jobs, spent a lot of time and energy explaining why web apps were the best option.

And then Apple realized, largely through apps developed for jailbroken phones which led to a lot of people jailbreaking their phones, that for iOS to really succeed they needed apps.

Windows Phone 7 is another example of this. It was a superior OS to iOS by most measures. It died almost entirely because of the lack of major apps.

If major app providers (Google, Spotify, Netflix, etc) had never made their apps available on iOS and had made them available on Android instead iOS would probably be looking like Windows Phone 7 right now.

[lancesells]

It's a symbiotic relationship like most things. Instagram, tiktok, Spotify, etc. would very likely not exist without the app store.

I'm torn in all of this because I'm not much of a fan of either company.

[piva00]

Spotify existed before the App Store though.

[occz]

They are working the narrative as hard as they can.

[Spivak]

> It says a lot that the €100 developer fee (I'd imagine Spotify pay for multiple licences in multiple countries) that Apple consider it nothing

They literally do consider it nothing. I've talked to some of the devs that were responsible for implementing it and they consider it entirely a spam prevention measure. They determined that $100/account was a high enough bar to prevent people from creating hundreds of them and doesn't have the overhead of manual human ID verifications.

The most recent numbers I can can find is that there are 34 million registered devs which is a cool 3.4 billion ARR and that is 0.89% of their $380 billion revenue last year.