[mike_organon]

But "auto-immune disorder" does describe whats happening. What most doctors can't say is what causes that: so they can't say more than "dumb luck".

One explanation I've heard is leaky gut caused by grain sensitivity, followed by dairy proteins leaking out, causing the immune response, which then mistakes the pancreas which has similar looking proteins. I don't know how much evidence there is for that.

[Mz]

But there are causes for leaky syndrome and they are treatable. And leaky gut at least tells you descriptively what is happening. Auto immune simply assumes the body mysteriously attacks itself, for no apparent reason.

Anyway, thank you for the feedback. It fits with some things I know and is something I can follow up on.

[mike_organon]

Why do you think "mysteriously" is part of the definition of auto-immune? If we don't know what causes a particular auto-immune response doesn't make it not auto-immune.

[Mz]

My condition gets referred to that way. It doesn't make sense to me as a mental model. Unfortunately, I have had a really long day so probably cannot explain my views in an effective manner.