bots and SEO have really destroyed the internet. and now that we have AI to further streamline the production of BS, I feel like the Internet is just going to become even more of a quality content wasteland.
LLMs are only a deathblow, albeit a massive one, to a trend that's been 10 years in the making.
I feel it's time for another small internet for us, with blackjack and dancers. But this time let's agree not to make it friendly and accessible for everyone, alright?
Everyone just bind to some other port than 443 and there you go. The traffic won’t be worth any money so no spammers will show up there. All existing content and functionality will still work, just on a different port. It’s like a www fork.
I fully believe that, especially with the rise of AI models, the future of the internet is going to be small enclaves of a few thousand people on invite only message boards. Anything else is just going to be far and away too much effort for anyone to maintain, especially when advertisers twig that their ads are mostly being shown to bots.
I just don't see how anything else could be sustainable.
It was and it wasn't. Search engines arose to solve a very real problem, and did so quite well for a long time.
Curation was what search engines replaced, as the scale
of information available outgrew human capacity to keep up. We are almost certainly going to have that problem again soon, for a while at least.
Really, what I hope is that the already burgeoning problem of AI-generated garbage gets solved, and that people rediscover the virtues of social interaction that's based in reality, rather than in the optimization of strongly emotive idiocy that adtech-driven social media demands.
I used to believe this but I don't think so any longer after enough time on the internet.
There's probably not more than 50k meaningfully unique sites with some notable amount of actual desirable information, after excluding all the SEO'ed sites, blogs repeating each other, etc... at least for the English web.
Manual curation is entirely possible since probably there aren't even 50 such sites being created per day on average. This is including every single forum still open to public viewing. There really aren't that many left (<10k).
How long do you expect that will remain the case in the face of such a flood of zero-incremental-cost garbage as we here discuss?
Especially worth mentioning in this connection is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39424688, as of this writing #1 on HN. I mention it here because what it says about moderation, and about centralized platforms being both the highest-value and most poorly managed targets, applies here also.
There aren't, if you exclude all the spam blogs, and include only the ones that are fully accessible without a paywall and have received an update in the last year.
A huge proportion have simply stopped updating, gone offline or moved to a paywall on substack/medium/etc...
The 50k number is all inclusive and probably even still an overestimate.
Well maybe it's just because I'm an unpopular weirdo, but I think "invite only" is cancer. In fact it's another head of the hydra killing the Internet. Whatever alternatives exist to the spam wasteland are strangled in crib being overly walled gardens, e.g. Discord. I also swear to god I think secret private club fetishism crippled piracy.
This is not how the good years of the Internet grew. I can't think of a single good or popular thing that started out as "invite only" other than I guess Facebook and Gmail. Both of which were actually more marketing gimmicks.
I swear my girlfriend relishes in reading me the entire, 300 words of SEO bait product listings on Amazon. Babe, I'm begging you please, you can stop at "xl dog bed" I don't need to hear the rest that goes "fluffy for best friend comfort for large dogs pitbull great Dane german Shepard..."
Accessibility to the internet to everybody in the world destroyed the hacker haven that the Internet once was.
But I don't think it's bad. Hackers/smart people "locked in the basement' or talking only with their friends in their bubble is not ideal. There are a lot of people out there, with their own opinions, ideas and understanding (or lack of) of the world. Internet just converges towards the average human being. If we want a better internet, hope some smart people will put some effort to make the "average person" in the world wiser, rather than blame the SEO and bots...
> Hackers/smart people "locked in the basement' or talking only with their friends in their bubble is not ideal.
Sounds quite ideal to me.
> hope some smart people will put some effort to make the "average person" in the world wiser
I'd rather hope for a future made by us and for us instead.
"Average" people just don't care about this stuff like we do. They don't care. I tried to get them to care, they refuse to care about all this stuff that we care about. That's fine, people like what they like and that's that but why should we care about their concerns then? We should not. And I do not.
Truth is I couldn't care less about such an "average" human being. Why is everything always about the "average" person? Why must all technology serve this mythical average human? Where is the technology that serves me? My programmer's computer system and network?
Isn't that why we all come to Hacker News?
People chase these "averages" because there's money in it. The money mostly comes from advertising consumer products to them. That's why advertising destroys everything.
I remember reading on the wikimedia stats post here a few weeks ago that for English at least, the average internet user is a 20 year old from India watching porn
Goodharth’s Law destroyed the internet. The constant game of chess between Google and SEO marketers has the turned the whole search product to crap.
It won’t improve since when Google makes a change, SEO marketers adapt. The websites that actually provide value and don’t really care about SEO suffer as well as the users looking for that exact information.
LLMs are only a deathblow, albeit a massive one, to a trend that's been 10 years in the making.
I feel it's time for another small internet for us, with blackjack and dancers. But this time let's agree not to make it friendly and accessible for everyone, alright?