[deanCommie]

This happens with every Apple product, and people need to get over it.

iPod: "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."

iPhone: "it doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard"

iPod did not invent MP3 players, iPhone did not invent multi-touch or smartphones.

Yet both became the defacto standards for every future mp3 player and smart phone.

The same is going to happen with the Vision Pro - for better or for worse. Everyone trying to do only AR or only VR will give up, and try to do what apple is doing.

[tsimionescu]

Is there some law of nature that Apple always has the right ideas? I very much doubt it.

They've had plenty of misses, not just hits. They got the mouse wrong (three buttons are now universal, one was never even close to good enough). The touch bar was a failure. The Apple Watch has not redefined how smartwatch UIs work. MacOS has plenty of UI ideas which have not been adopted by any other OS, most notably the top bar and the left-hand side window controls.

[oohffyvfg]

they only succeeded when the market expanded such that you don't have to be technically right, but just have the larger marketing budget.

ipod was advertised around the world like absolutely nothing before it. there was no international launch of consumer device before it.

iphone destroyed the media because att did not have the best network but saw they could sell more data than they could sell minutes. so it also had the most marketing of any telecom device in history.

all that in a time consumer eletronics left the enterprise+niche market.

hardly either are the case with the headset. it will flop. and if not, it's because they undertood fomo influencer marketing better than everyone else.

[deanCommie]

True enough. And very accurate about the mouse.

But at least the touch bar was honestly pretty great. It happened to arrive with a generation of MBPs that killed all their ports and ruined the keyboard, which is what people more hated.

The Apple Watch seems to be the only smart watch I see around - though granted smart watches are not as ubiquitous as smart phones.

MacOS is tricky because it just feels like if it wasn't for Office at The Office, it would have just fully won...

[tsimionescu]

> The Apple Watch seems to be the only smart watch I see around - though granted smart watches are not as ubiquitous as smart phones.

From some quick Googling, while they are the biggest player by far, they have around 23% of the smartwatch market. And as far as I have seen, other smartwatches are not so similar to the Apple Watch as Andoid is to iOS.

> MacOS is tricky because it just feels like if it wasn't for Office at The Office, it would have just fully won.

MacOS is tied to extremely expensive hardware, so it was never going to win. And Apple never actively pushed for training on Macs like MS did, so there are many orders of magnitude more pieces of software exclusive to Windows than to MacOS. Office may be MS's crown jewel, but there is giant long tail of Windows software that dwarfs even Unix, not to mention MacOS in particular.

[p_l]

Macs also simply lack many things you want in corporate office from manageability standpoint, compared to Active Directory with GPO.

[p_l]

You see more apple watches than other because it's one of the smart watches that can't be mistaken for a normal watch.

I see quite a lot of people using smart watches due to actively going to gym (where a lot of people use them for fitness tracking etc).

A lot of them are hard to recognise as smart watch unless you know the specific model already, or catch someone interacting with it. The ones I and my partner uses are similarly "invisible" (Garmin Fenix series).

In comparison, Apple Watch is the kind where it's immediately obvious you see an apple watch or something that apes its design.