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by vasilipupkin 888 days ago
Gaza is not occupied by Israeli military. After Israel withdrew from Gaza and ended its physical presence in Gaza, some still consider Israel as occupying Gaza due to control of airspace, etc. Some consider, that does it make it a settled fact. THere is disagreement on this from legal point of view its not a settled legal question.

Leaving the legal definition of occupation, here is the simple dictionary definition of occupation from wikipedia

Military occupation, also known as belligerent occupation or simply occupation, is the temporary military control by a ruling power over a territory that is outside of that power's sovereign territory.[1][2][3][4]

Israel did not have military control over Gaza, it is absurd to allege simultaneously that Israel had military control over Gaza and also allowed Hamas to build 500 miles of tunnels and attack itself on October 7th from the territory it militarily controled.

So no, by any sane definition of occupation, such as Wikipedia, Israel was not occupying Gaza before October 8th

These greenhouses you are referring to were run by Israeli settlers in Gaza. They were dismantled when the settlements were dismantled. Not by Israel, by Palestinians themselves https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

"You are arguing in alternative history, any argument rooted in alternative history is pure speculation."

Sorry, that is a weird analysis. By your logic we can't anticipate or logically analyze anything at all, it would all be speculation

The point of Israeli withdrawal was that if the occupation ends, maybe there is more chance for peace, that was the point of it and the opposite happened.

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> There is disagreement on this from legal point of view its not a settled legal question.

The disagreement is Israel says there is no occupation while the rest of the world says there is. This is hardly a disagreement as much that one party is simply wrong. It is like Iran stating it does not have a nuclear weapons program or Russia claiming their elections are fair.

no, the disagreement is about whether the fact that Israel exercised some control over Gaza strip after it withdrew can count as "military control over Gaza strip" In plan English, it's plainly absurd. If I own 10% of the stock of a company, nobody would say I have control over this company But even if these arguments had any merit before Oct 7th, it's clear after that they make no sense. You can't claim with a straight face that Israel had military control over Gaza strip. It plainly did not, which is why Hamas was able to build a tunnel network and succesfully execute these attacks. And if it didn't have military control, that means it wasnt an occupation by definition of what an occupation is.