[steveBK123]

No I'm not missing the point.

I'm pointing out that the RTO boosters are making a much larger ask of their teammates.

In the age of open floor plans, no cubes, no offices.. many of us find it near impossible to do "deep work" in the office. Sitting on an open floorplan with noise cancelling headphones on for 8 hours per day is not a life I want to go back to living.

[LazarWolf_]

I generally support choice in work place. However, many advocates of WFH disappear for days; seem to produce less results. Younger teammates don’t have the best work philosophies, and won’t necessarily develop them in isolation.

Some of this may be fixed with process changes and better tooling; but that does not exist today for the company I work for.

I signed a contract that said I would come to the office when I took my offer, and honestly, if WFH people are serious; that should be more vocal about allowing folks to leave the state boundaries too. Silicon Valley folks who live in 3+ mil houses seem to be really happy with WFH…

As a personal anecdote, many of our local restaurants near my office have closed down, people I cared about lost jobs and livelihoods from these somewhat self-centered changes. I want more people to understand that these arguments have perverse secondary effects on society as well.

[steveBK123]

If people are observed to be abusing WFH it can be revoked for them

If they aren’t performing they can be fired

[31337Logic]

> If people are observed to be abusing WFH it can be revoked for them

2 things follow from tips mode of thought:

The first is that you view (and presumably you believe others view) RTO as some sort of punishment. ("Oh, Jones, we caught you abusing WFH, therefore we're going to force you to RTO. That'll teach ya!")

Second, you have a presumption that OTHER PEOPLE will be there in the office with Jones! (Or else, why exactly force him to go into the office?) Now those "other people" can either be folks who choose to be there, or else it'll be made up of an army of Joneses! I'm not sure if I want to work in an office environment where EVERYTHING is forced to be there against their wishes.

> If they aren’t performing they can be fired

Yeah, business as usual. The trick is, how do employers retain happy peoductive employees, especially around the issue of RTO?

It's not as easy as "fire poor performers", especially if the employees claim (as many here are doing right now) that RTO is an absolutely miserable and unproductive experience for them.

Firing and rehiring people is expensive. :-/