[FireBeyond]

I'm not naive. I've been on the receiving end of it. But once she's got that answer, it's clearly evident that's the answer you're getting. Refusing to move on from that isn't productive in a business setting, is more my thought.

(I literally had a PIP where my manager 100% ghosted me through the entire PIP, and I created all the work products requested in the PIP, and had documentary evidence that he did not once look at a single one of them. And then when he sat there in the last meeting with HR, and openly, repeatedly lied that he'd reviewed it all and that it was of an unsatisfactory level and that I could have been retained if it had been to a higher level, and I shared my screen filled with "Shared with X. Last Viewed: Never" on GDocs... he turned off his camera and just said the decision was made.

Which it was. I didn't expect it to be changed, nor did I particularly want it to be changed. But I did want his "openly lied to both employees and to HR over personnel issues" on the record. And it was. There was no point to keep repeating it twenty times over. It vented her frustration on a personal level but I'm not sure it shows good business judgment on her part (realize that's not mutually exclusive to CF not showing good business judgment either).

[Teever]

> Refusing to move on from that isn't productive in a business setting,

Maybe that would change if more people refused to move on?

[FireBeyond]

Oh yes. "Who can out-stubborn the other party versus finding common ground" seems quite helpful...

[Teever]

Well it seems like she fucked over cloudflare more than they fucked her over, so in that sense it looks like she won this engagement.

[FireBeyond]

Now the next hope if you hire her is hoping she doesn't decide she needs to fuck you over, too?

[Freedom2]

Just don't try to weasel your way out and put the blame on the person you're laying off? Doesn't seem hard.