[light_hue_1]

If you have a Tesla the charging story is wonderful.

The car finds chargers on it's own. It shows you exactly what's available at each charger. Hardly anything is ever broken.

EVs are far easier and more convenient than gas cars. It's the non Tesla infrastructure that just sucks.

[culturestate]

> EVs are far easier and more convenient than gas cars.

EVs certainly have some advantages, but for most of the world's population "convenience" isn't one of them.

If you live in a house with a garage where you can install a charger and you use your car mostly as a runabout, it's great.

The majority of the western world lives in cities with street parking and fewer chargers than vehicles, though, and in that situation it's far more convenient to spend five minutes at the gas station on your way to the office than it is to find a spot to charge your car for three hours which may or may not be anywhere close to where you actually need to go.

[light_hue_1]

If by "majority" you mean, a small minority, then you're spot on!

All you have to do is look at the census. 2/3rds of households have a garage or carport. If you add to this the number of people with private parking, that's like 80+% of people who can have chargers subsidized by the state.

It's always important to look at numbers before you get trapped in your bubble.

[culturestate]

> If by "majority" you mean, a small minority, then you're spot on! ... It's always important to look at numbers before you get trapped in your bubble.

Speaking of bubbles, I wrote "majority of the western world," which admittedly surprisingly stretches beyond America.

Two-thirds of households in, say, Berlin absolutely do not have carports, garages, or private parking.

[AdamN]

Charging infrastructure in Berlin is fine - I had an EV for over a year and charged on the street no problem. The two major caveats are that you really need a card specifically for paying the charging networks (not a credit card which is a major hassle) and road trips are more difficult than they would be with an ICE car.

[culturestate]

I suppose that depends on your perspective. The nearest charging point to my flat is ~10 minutes on foot, which I wouldn't consider convenient in any way.

[AdamN]

It's true for me also but I didn't think of it as much of a burden. The car would last for about 2+ weeks between charges with the way I drove it and there was also the option of trying to charge near work which I would drive to sometimes.

[ljm]

> It's always important to look at numbers before you get trapped in your bubble.

The irony. I didn't realise that the UK (and in fact a large portion of Europe) wasn't part of the western world.

[Clubber]

I have a garage and my car won't fit in it because it's filled with crap.

[lotsoweiners]

Haha I have a 3 car garage and can barely fit one in. I admit that it is a problem that technology is unlikely to solve.

[moffkalast]

Now if only there was an EV that combined tesla's charging infrastructure with an actual quality car at a reasonable price, that would be great.

[foofie]

The European Union created their Combined Charging System (CCS) standard and has been enforcing it since around 2014. I think Tesla's charging infrastructure in Europe has been forced to comply with that standard since it's inception as a precondition to apply for subsidies.

The US followed suite and has also forced support for CCS when applying for subsidy programs to grow Tesla's charging network.

https://qz.com/the-white-house-is-trying-to-persuade-tesla-t...

[ufocia]

I read the post to mean that Teslas are expensive crap.

[Ekaros]

If you really wanted you could order diesel delivered to your home. And then fill your car in your own home. Nothing stops people from installing their own tanks. It is just that it is not needed as filling occasionally is minimal inconvenience. Much less than having to stick cable in your car each time you park it.

[theGnuMe]

I am pretty sure zoning and environmental laws prevent that. A gas can maybe max 3 gallons

[talldatethrow]

I love hacker news. Opinions about storing gas, not even knowing the universal gas can size is 5 gallons in the US.

[ufocia]

Also, many people in the US (overwhelmingly in the Northeast) heat their houses with heating oil and thus already store roughly 300 gallons (or 1000 liters) or so of this diesel compatible substance in their abodes.

[porkbeer]

Nope. Most farmers keep a 50gal tank in their truck bed replete with nozzle for fueling tractors etc. And a larger one on the farm, usually 50 to 400gal.