[brnt]

I'd call the charging market far from nature. Installing random apps, practically per charging point? Or requiring a second wallet for all the 'network' cards?

Wake me up when I need nothing more than the payment card I already carry.

[petre]

It only works with Teslas, forget the other ones. That's part of why the others have failed to deliver a useful EV: only Tesla has a reliable charging network. The others are reliant on half assed solutions made by third parties.

[nsteel]

Some supercharger stations can be used by non-teslas with a CCS port. And it seems there's a big move coming for more to adopt.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/tesla-nacs-charging-port...

Edit Although I should add, even if they work, they may not support the full power charging. My Kia works, but nowhere near 250kWh.

[petre]

Yes, that's why most of the other brands have announced the will use the Tesla port, to be able to use their charging network. There are still issues with that approach because all Teslas have their charging port on the back left side and their Supercharger cable is quite short, while other cars do not necessarily maintain this. Also they might not charge at full power. It's still a better solution than the half assed ones.

[nsteel]

> their Supercharger cable is quite short

It really is! My port is on the front centre and depending on how others have parked, it's quite tricky to get the angle required to be close enough.

But these are just niggles. We absolutely need standard hardware.

[brnt]

Im in Europe, so that doesnt matter.

And even if they had then here top, they'd be useless to me, because Teslas are too large for me.

[robertlagrant]

Maybe you'd be a 2025 Model 2[0] customer?

[0] https://www.whatcar.com/news/tesla-model-2/n25636

[closewith]

It really is a shame that Musk has tarnished the Tesla brand so much, because this looks like a great car.

[robertlagrant]

I think outside of the "is speech good or evil"-osphere, most people would still aspire to have a Tesla.

[closewith]

I don't know. I live in Ireland and Teslas have definitely lost their caché in general. Certainly nobody has a positive impression of Elon.

[lazide]

Branding matters, as people do tend to buy the image almost as much as the capabilities.

Musk is inextricably tied to Teslas brand.

All good when he was ‘space Howard Hughes (pre-hypochondriac shut-in)’, since that brand resonated with people with money who were going for the ‘better future’ image.

Now his antics remind everyone of their asshole racist uncle that they can’t stand. Not a good brand association, as asshole racists uncles aren’t as popular with those with a lot of money.

[brnt]

Maybe! Didn't know that was coming!

But since Tesla is leading the bottom in reliability scores, it's still quite unlikely I'm getting one.

[petre]

Which part of Europe? See the map. If it's SE Europe, Cyprus or the Baltics, you are basically screwed. Western, Central and Northrn Europe (the populated areas) not so much.

https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/findus

Model 3 is a normal sized compact car, but if you live in Italy or on an island, it could be too big.

[closewith]

This a case where the markets are so different that the names diverge.

The Tesla Model 3 is a Medium car by NHTSA standards and a Compact by EPA standards.

However, in the EU Euro Car Segment standard, the Model 3 is a D-segment or "large car".

[DoesntMatter22]

It's solved because you just use Tedla super chargers and that's it.

[brnt]

These don't exist in Europe.

[nsteel]

Rubbish.

> The stations are primarily deployed in three regions: Asia Pacific (over 2,000), North America (over 2,000), and Europe (over 1,000).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger

Some supercharger stations also work with other cars. I used them over Christmas with my Kia. Surprisingly they were faster and cheaper than anything else in the area.

[baud147258]

1000 stations is nothing. Like there's more than 10000 gas stations in France alone, with just a fraction of a 1000 you won't get anywhere (or at least nowhere near as easily as with an ICE).

[DoesntMatter22]

You can still get anywhere you need to go with them and they are adding more locations all the time

[brnt]

Those in Europese arent what they are in the US, they're just, of ten individuap, stations with the common plug, just like the other ones.

[nsteel]

What are they like the in the US? I've searched and on the face of it they look just like the ones I used in the UK with two types of connector (like in the picture at https://thedriven.io/2022/02/27/where-can-you-charge-a-tesla...)

[andoma]

Correct. I've lived both in US (Cali) and EU (Sweden) with a Tesla. And apart from that's is a different plug there's virtually no difference at all. 250kW DC charging. No problems.