[ewillbefull]

Groklaw has no need or position to launch immature attacks like this as well:

> Interestingly, the judge was able to come to this easy conclusion despite the insistence of self-described patent expert, Florian Mueller, that the court would certainly allow Oracle to break its word.

[msg]

How is it an immature attack to point out that an advocate for the opposing side failed to predict the future? Or that he has no real expertise? It goes to his credibility.

[ewillbefull]

I'm not sure how the intellectual properly blogging scene operates, but it doesn't seem necessary to call Florian a "self-described patent expert" unless they have some personal vendetta against him. It shouldn't be relevant to the case anyway, as their legal analysis should be impartial and not about what some random blogger said.

[gillianseed]

He is not some 'random blogger', he is paid by Oracle to present himself as an expert on patents and put an Oracle-positive spin on the case. In effect he is an Oracle spokesperson.

[taligent]

That's being disingenuous.

Many bloggers are paid for by large companies without necessarily 'shilling' for them. It seems to be de rigeur in fact.

[gillianseed]

Really? Are you saying that you believe bloggers who are being paid by companies are reporting objectively on those same companies? Seriously? Oracle pays Florian Mullers salary, so yes he is 'shilling' for them.

[ktizo]

But if they are commenting directly on the actions of a company that is paying them, then they are usually in the business of PR.

[taligent]

And how is his credibility or positions relevant to Groklaw ?

That's the immature part. You can report facts and do fantastic analysis without trying to take shots at your competition.

[debacle]

Groklaw has probably the strongest position on the Internet when it comes to stating anything of legal fashion as it pertains to the tech industry, regardless of what it is.

There are few or no organizations that have better trial room journalism chops when it comes to the IT scene than groklaw.

[Steko]

Groklaw made it's named reporting about a one sided case against a clear fraud.

This bred a mentality that it's ok to be an open source cheerleader in all future cases but frankly that hasn't worked out as well.

In the case of this article we get a one sided headline, some interesting and good analysis, a straw man caricature of Oracle's argument that amounts to "Derp! I guess we lose" and at the very end an offhanded link to Oracle's actual response (which reads pretty strongly) but no analysis.

I'd love for Groklaw to live up to the "expert legal analysis of the IT scene" side of it's heritage as opposed to being another "legal propaganda arm of the FSF" but that's up to them.

[tysonjennings]

"This bred a mentality that it's ok to be an open source cheerleader in all future cases but frankly that hasn't worked out as well."

There is no such thing. I don't know what your beef is with groklaw but you're now to the point of fabricating sophistry to say...something. I don't even know what your point is here other than to bash groklaw.

"legal propaganda arm of the FSF"

Really? Groklaw is a part of the FSF now? Are they also based in Roswell or was that area 51?

[Steko]

"I don't know what your beef is with groklaw ... fabricating sophistry ... bash groklaw"

Let's be absolutely clear: I love Groklaw and have valued them and visited regularly for just about a decade now. That doesn't mean Groklaw is above criticism or without faults, a jump emotionally invested commenters seem to want to take. Please take the time to read through things before you jump to hurl invective.

I'm hardly the only one here expressing the same sentiments about Groklaw's pro-open source bias, which again PJ freely admits.

[tysonjennings]

" That doesn't mean Groklaw is above criticism or without faults, a jump emotionally invested commenters seem to want to take. Please take the time to read through things before you jump to hurl invective."

Did you even read what I wrote? I never said they were above criticism. There is a difference between criticism and bashing. And your comments in the aggregate amount to the latter. Claiming they are "breeding a mentality of cheer leading" anything is just ridiculous sophistry and that is what I was pointing out so why the attempted misdirection?

"I'm hardly the only one here expressing the same sentiments about Groklaw"

And there are more people saying the opposite. For any point you can bring up, you can find as many lay people as you have time to look for to agree with it which proves absolutely nothing.