[int_19h]

I agree that in many cases there isn't any substance behind the talk. Yet the single largest state-to-state flow of people is from California to Texas, not the other way around; surely there's something objective that is driving that. And, given the time and effort required for such a move, it's not something most people would do on a whim without doing at least some research.

[ksenzee]

Hm. We have plenty of Washington-to-Texas migration from the suburbs, and there's no serious contention that, say, Auburn and Kent are mismanaged by Democrats. I know multiple families who have left for Texas in the last few years, and it wasn't "this place has crap government," it was "this place is woke." That is, they wanted more "traditional values" in their kids' schools and fewer BLM and pride flags. To me that's a valid and objective reason to leave (and honestly they're welcome to go, I don't want them running for school board even if we are friends) but it doesn't support the contention that government here is incompetent. It just means government here is socially liberal, which it unquestionably is.

[int_19h]

There are certainly people leaving for these reasons. Yet polls also show that there are also plenty of left-leaning folk who move.

[joshuamorton]

"why is the largest single state transfer from the largest state by population to the second largest state by population" is perhaps not that surprising a result.

[int_19h]

Perhaps, but look at the entire people. California is losing people; Texas is gaining them. And it's not just California that has a net outflow to red states; New York and Illinois are also seeing an outflow.

[rayiner]

An even better comparison in California to California. The year Apple IPOed, Reagan handily won California. Santa Clara County only voted a democrat for President twice between 1948 and 1987–LBJ (who won 20 points nationwide), and weirdly enough Hubert Humphrey. In the founding and golden ages of Silicon Valley, it was a red suburb in a red state. It was like what Florida is now.

[int_19h]

Yeah, no. GOP today has very little semblance to GOP of Reagan times (although the seeds of the present insanity have been sown then, and even earlier - Trumpism is a perfectly logical end result of Birchers, "moral majority" etc). And there's nothing "golden age" about Florida today; certainly not when it comes to quality of governance.

[rayiner]

In terms of tone, it’s quite different, but in terms of governance Trump’s term was a pretty standard GOP term with the exception of immigration and foreign policy—which aren’t issues at the state level. Tax cuts, bootstraps, etc.

Calling Trumpism an extension of Bircherism is a coping mechanism, seeing as how the GOP is winning record shares of minorities under Trump. Instead, the Trump GOP is a hybrid of the Reagan GOP and Jacksonian/Jeffersonian populism. The opposition to immigration given the prospect of cultural change also appeals to many immigrants who left those places for good reasons. My parents immigrated to Ronald Regan's America, not Kamala Harris's America.

Florida is a tremendously well governed state. It has great schools, low taxes, low debt, a booming economy, etc. I know multiple families that moved there from Illinois and New York in the last couple of years.

[selimthegrim]

>great schools

So, letting any veteran be a high school teacher without any further qualification makes it great schools? The governor purging state universities makes it great schools?

[rayiner]

Letting veterans teach while working on their degree, which is what that law does, is a great idea.

And curating the education offered in public universities is a great idea too. Public universities must serve public purposes. CRT serves to undermine the society, not reinforce it.

It’s especially important to get rid of it in a majority-minority state like Florida. CRT education is racism. It teaches minority kids a different worldview and values from white kids—and an inferior one. My mom was born during British colonization, but she was educated as an equal person. She can tell you about Plato and Tolstoy. My kids—thanks to living in a blue state—are learning how to whine about “white men” and see themselves as different, and aggrieved. They will not be equal citizens when they grow up, because they are being socialized to be a lower, dependent class.

[selimthegrim]

It wasn’t the British running east Pakistan from 1947-71. I’ve actually posted an column in Bengali from Prothom Alo here before about the pre-71 education system (which does praise its high standards and quality from the British but also says that Pakistan federal government invested a lot. And then goes on to say after the 71 war the rate of people getting first division in BA exams, went up to something above 50%, which it then compares to Bankimbabu getting a second division only and leaves you to draw your own conclusions from that)

Another important point is that in 1947 right before independence the Muslim League in Bengal (remember AIML was founded in Dhaka and sponsored by Nawab Dhaka!) was demanding parity of representation (professors, etc) in the education system with Hindus and the Hindus were refusing and telling them to set up their own educational establishments.

[intended]

COVID.

Return to office seems to be changing that flow.