[yieldcrv]

I tried to negotiate a verbal offer, swapping the signing bonus for base salary, ultimately moving base up not even 7%

and they didn't even counter and moved on. very established company too, a highly unusual practice according to every recruiter, article, AI rehash, and person I’ve told this to

I would say this is a symptom of the market. Employers flexing on the big pool

[busterarm]

Employers feel like they've been forced into remote work and salary creep by covid and faangs. They feel so powerless that any pushback from a potential employee makes them think they're going to have a permanent headache working with you.

The way things are you'd have much better luck negotiating a salary review after a six month probation or something.

[yieldcrv]

yes, this was objectively an L for me and in hindsight I should not have negotiated a single aspect of the position, so take notes everyone

California, by the way.

[busterarm]

Not trying to rub it in, sorry. I don't actually think you did anything wrong either. Companies are just being assholes right now.

[yieldcrv]

you’re fine, thats not what you did but I’d much prefer that to the unquantified optimism people

many people, including engineers, are obsessed with looking for a silver lining when the reality is that I lost all my leverage and every new recruiter call is at least a month and a half from new money hitting my bank account, if everything goes perfectly.

[busterarm]

hang in there. I'll be rooting for you.

[jurassic]

If they ended the conversation after a modest ask like that, you probably dodged a bullet. I bet they are also miserly at every annual review.

[yieldcrv]

organization had generous company wide bonuses not tied to individual performance

I’ve had great experiences with many companies that did something weird during the interview process or administratively

these functions are separate

there is no need to look for a silver lining