[gauravphoenix]

that's all good but does it have FSD?

Jokes aside, it is enlightening to see how far we have come. Just 10 years ago, seeing a Tesla in SF bay area would be a topic of conversation. Today, I have two Teslas parked in my garage and yesterday when we went for a NYE party, 80% of the attendees drove Tesla (or Tesla drove them ;)

[phyzome]

No, but the horseful carriage did.

[FooBarBizBazz]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/rats-will-drive-ti...

[ronnier]

Same, I also have two Teslas. 21 Y and a 23 S Plaid. What an experience to drive every day, absolutely love both of them.

[tirant]

What’s special about driving a Tesla that makes the experience remarkable ? I’ve test driven recent Model 3 and Model Ys and found the experience subpar compared to other EVs: noisy, uncomfortable suspension, lack of parking assistant systems, lack of reliable speed limit recognition and lane keeping assistant system, no matrix headlights or even HUD. Basically every new technology you can have in new mid/high range cars compares to my old 2008 VW Golf is missing on modern Model 3/Ys. I loved the spacious interior, but felt also cheap. The UI of the screen is also very nice and smooth, but I still prefer using Apple CarPlay. People compliment Tesla supercharger network, and I have to admit I’ve never used it, but I also have to say I never had an issue with other HPC networks like Ionity or Fastned in Europe.

[toomuchtodo]

Not OP. Have driven over 110k miles in a 2018 Model S, bury me in it, I almost love it more than my family. Value is subjective, of course, but few material possessions bring me as much joy as driving fully electric across the country while the vehicle is on Autopilot (have driven across the US the last 6 years almost exclusively on Supercharger fast charging [1]). I paid for the future and got it, that is value (to me).

(own an S, an X, and two Ys; also have a Cybertruck reservation)

[1] https://supercharge.info/map

[tirant]

Yes, I understand, but I also can experience the same with other brands of vehicles. Tesla is really no different. Actually, I was not able to parallel park confidently with neither the Model 3 or Model Y due to the lack of reliable USS and front camera.

[ronnier]

The fsd is magic. Watching it make turns etc.

And for my S plaid, it will beat anything on the road. Any super car or hyper car, it will take in 0-60 and the quarter mile.

The sound system is extremely good.

And the fact that my car has a gpu with steam and wireless controllers is a very cool feature. Playing street fighter in my car on an 18” screen is extremely neat.

[badpun]

> The fsd is magic. Watching it make turns etc.

Shouldn't you watch it at all times, since it's not reliable? Sounds more like a gimmick to me, just driving the car yourself seems less tiring than constantly hovering over an ai-driven car, being ready to take over in an instant.

[leovander]

> it will beat anything on the road. Any super car or hyper car, it will take in 0-60 and the quarter mile.

What roads are you racing on and how often are you having to race a quarter mile?

[nixass]

> The fsd is magic

My car has adaptive cruise control too.

> Any super car or hyper car, it will take in 0-60 and the quarter mile.

Wow such a high schooler mentality. It's literally the only thing worth mentioning when describing Tesla to someone.

[jjtheblunt]

If a Camry kicks up a rock and breaks your windshield, can you get it fixed easily?

I'm not being sarcastic in that question: my cousin waited several months for a repair on his Model 3 in the Phoenix metro area with at least 2 dedicated Tesla corporate garage facilities.

[ronnier]

Yes. A bus broke my s plaid window with a rock. Had it fixed within a week. Dropped it off in the morning and had it back by 4pm

[jjtheblunt]

Nice! I wonder if my cousin's repairs coincided with parts scarcity during the pandemic era confusion.

[speedgoose]

The value.

[loceng]

Arguably the sole reason the industry has come so far is because of Elon Musk not toeing the industrial complex line, of which clearly has attempted to suppress EV - whether was the status quo administrators-operators who weren't competent or compelled to create good enough disruptive technology - or it was mostly the oil industry attempting to squash it.

I don't predict EVs will completely takeover though, as there is major distrust now of most governments and the one world order that seems to be attempting to form, and the highly dense energy of easily transportation gasoline is an obvious way to not be dependant on an easily controlled-captured power grid.

[recursive]

It seems easier to get an EV charger off grid than a ICE refueling. Gasoline relies on refineries. You can charge your EV from solar panels at your secret hidden mountain lair.

[cesarb]

> It seems easier to get an EV charger off grid than a ICE refueling. Gasoline relies on refineries.

That's because you're restricting the ICE to gasoline. I believe you don't need a refinery to produce ethanol from sugarcane (ethanol-fueled ICE vehicles are common here in Brazil); I don't know much about diesel, but you might also not need a full refinery to produce biodiesel.

[recursive]

I'm going to say that a solar panels and some kind of battery are still sound easier than growing and refining/brewing sugar cane into ethanol. To me anyway.

[bluGill]

But you can but gas in a can as needed. Many remote locations don't have much solar potential because of lattitude.

[Ekaros]

Just have to check how much solar power solar panels produce during day now in areas beyond Artic Circle... Doesn't seem exactly great technology.

[RetroTechie]

You got that reversed: EVs match well with off-grid / decentralized power generation like solar.

ICE vehicles otoh depend on gas stations & all the infrastructure behind those. Yes they're still everywhere & you have range, but sooner or later you have to visit one. Only exeption are engines that take fuels like plant oils (some diesel engines) or perhaps ethanol.

[oaththrowaway]

EVs have bigger capacity than my off-grid house. No way I could keep one charged while also trying to power my house. In the winter my standby generator has to kick on just to keep my house powered. It's not even a matter of adding more panels, just living in the mountains I only get so much sun in the shorter winter days... And that's if I have clear skies and without snow covering the panels

[p1mrx]

What fuel does your standby generator use?

[oaththrowaway]

Propane

[p1mrx]

So you have the option to power an EV with solar+propane in the winter. I'm not sure if propane is cheaper than gasoline, but at least it has bulk home delivery and an indefinite shelf life.

[jackjeff]

Considered how expensive EVs are and since they can’t do simple things like airport return trips, I predict that gas guzzlers still have a long life ahead of them.

I know EVs will get cheaper. But there’s no chance they’ll ever be as inexpensive as the cheap gasoline cars that some people can barely afford today. It’s unavoidable for car ownership to go down on the long run.

It may not be such a bad thing to have more public transport or car sharing schemes though… but in the mean time expect disenfranchised people to vote for populists candidates that go against EV policies, hence slowing down adoption.

The tail end of EV adoption will be a lot longer than people think in opinion.

My guess is 20 years for 2/3 cars to be EVs. 10 years for new cars and another 10 for the second hand market.

It took about 10 years for SUVs to become the de facto car form factor. So I see a similar adoption here.

[quonn]

What do you mean by „can‘t do airport return trips“?

[vel0city]

Yeah I don't get that at all. There's like seven different airports I've driven round trips to with my EV without needing a charge.

[recursive]

Uh, I return from airports all the time in my EV. Maybe you're just misinformed?