[loceng]

Arguably the sole reason the industry has come so far is because of Elon Musk not toeing the industrial complex line, of which clearly has attempted to suppress EV - whether was the status quo administrators-operators who weren't competent or compelled to create good enough disruptive technology - or it was mostly the oil industry attempting to squash it.

I don't predict EVs will completely takeover though, as there is major distrust now of most governments and the one world order that seems to be attempting to form, and the highly dense energy of easily transportation gasoline is an obvious way to not be dependant on an easily controlled-captured power grid.

[recursive]

It seems easier to get an EV charger off grid than a ICE refueling. Gasoline relies on refineries. You can charge your EV from solar panels at your secret hidden mountain lair.

[cesarb]

> It seems easier to get an EV charger off grid than a ICE refueling. Gasoline relies on refineries.

That's because you're restricting the ICE to gasoline. I believe you don't need a refinery to produce ethanol from sugarcane (ethanol-fueled ICE vehicles are common here in Brazil); I don't know much about diesel, but you might also not need a full refinery to produce biodiesel.

[recursive]

I'm going to say that a solar panels and some kind of battery are still sound easier than growing and refining/brewing sugar cane into ethanol. To me anyway.

[bluGill]

But you can but gas in a can as needed. Many remote locations don't have much solar potential because of lattitude.

[Ekaros]

Just have to check how much solar power solar panels produce during day now in areas beyond Artic Circle... Doesn't seem exactly great technology.

[RetroTechie]

You got that reversed: EVs match well with off-grid / decentralized power generation like solar.

ICE vehicles otoh depend on gas stations & all the infrastructure behind those. Yes they're still everywhere & you have range, but sooner or later you have to visit one. Only exeption are engines that take fuels like plant oils (some diesel engines) or perhaps ethanol.

[oaththrowaway]

EVs have bigger capacity than my off-grid house. No way I could keep one charged while also trying to power my house. In the winter my standby generator has to kick on just to keep my house powered. It's not even a matter of adding more panels, just living in the mountains I only get so much sun in the shorter winter days... And that's if I have clear skies and without snow covering the panels

[p1mrx]

What fuel does your standby generator use?

[oaththrowaway]

Propane

[p1mrx]

So you have the option to power an EV with solar+propane in the winter. I'm not sure if propane is cheaper than gasoline, but at least it has bulk home delivery and an indefinite shelf life.

[oaththrowaway]

Sure if I want to hear a generator running 6 hours a day

[jackjeff]

Considered how expensive EVs are and since they can’t do simple things like airport return trips, I predict that gas guzzlers still have a long life ahead of them.

I know EVs will get cheaper. But there’s no chance they’ll ever be as inexpensive as the cheap gasoline cars that some people can barely afford today. It’s unavoidable for car ownership to go down on the long run.

It may not be such a bad thing to have more public transport or car sharing schemes though… but in the mean time expect disenfranchised people to vote for populists candidates that go against EV policies, hence slowing down adoption.

The tail end of EV adoption will be a lot longer than people think in opinion.

My guess is 20 years for 2/3 cars to be EVs. 10 years for new cars and another 10 for the second hand market.

It took about 10 years for SUVs to become the de facto car form factor. So I see a similar adoption here.

[quonn]

What do you mean by „can‘t do airport return trips“?

[vel0city]

Yeah I don't get that at all. There's like seven different airports I've driven round trips to with my EV without needing a charge.

[recursive]

Uh, I return from airports all the time in my EV. Maybe you're just misinformed?