[V__]

Is this mira of a U.S. centric problem? I selfhost my mail in Germany, have one at a smaller mail provider and never had problems.

It is also not uncommon for companies to either have a local Exchange Server or use the mail service at their hosting provider. If everything is configured correctly, delivery works fine.

[psd1]

Your experience may not be typical. I ran mail servers before office 365 was a thing, and I often had to get off block lists. There are stories on HN about it being worse, now that you have to request unblocking from MS and Google. Yours is the first comment that doesn't complain.

[layer8]

Nah, I have the same experience as the GP, and in every HN thread about email self-hosting, there are a number of comments along the lines of “I’ve been self-hosting my email for 10-20 years and never had any problems”. My SME employer also self-hosts without issues.

Experiences obviously differ, but it’s unclear where the differences stem from, apart from long-term IP reputation.

[vel0city]

> Yours is the first comment that doesn't complain.

It is potentially more of those with problems are more likely to speak up than everyone else just posting "works fine for me" a thousand times over.

I haven't had much deliverability problems with self-hosted things. I set it up right, and I get the emails I expected to get. So there's now two of us saying "works fine for me."

[justsomehnguy]

Personal anecdote != universal, global experience.

> have one at a smaller mail provider

    a) [hosted] Mail provider
    b) Server (colo/dedicated/VPS/whatever) provider

Choose one.

> not uncommon for companies to either have a local Exchange Server

Yes and it's PITA to pull it out of the lists of some shitheads, like SpamHaus.

Source: guess it

[Avamander]

SpamHaus always has really good reasons for doing what they're doing. How'd you piss them off?

There are actually horrid lists like BackScatterer and UCEProtect that you can't even properly contact. So in comparison SH is super pleasant.

[b112]

UCEProtect isn't legitimate. It's effectively a bribery ring. When presented with this data, anyone using it at the corporate level has dropped them.

(Bell Canada used them for a while, until I and others demonstrated this fact)

So don't worry about them.

[justsomehnguy]

> SpamHaus always has really good reasons

Ah, yes, blocking entire /18 and demanding money for the delisting.

I guess 'Guilty by association' is a 'good reason'.

[Avamander]

I haven't ever heard of them asking money for delisting. Surprising. Considering their track record it must be serious. A bulletproof host range? Traffic from those is absolutely guilty by association as the hosts are enabling abusive behaviour.

[justsomehnguy]

> Traffic from those is absolutely guilty by association as the hosts are enabling abusive behaviour.

I guess if you would be barred from entering Walmart because you live on the same street as someone with 'abusive behaviour' you would be 'oh, yes, totally my fault, sorry for disturbing you'.