[justsomehnguy]

Personal anecdote != universal, global experience.

> have one at a smaller mail provider

    a) [hosted] Mail provider
    b) Server (colo/dedicated/VPS/whatever) provider

Choose one.

> not uncommon for companies to either have a local Exchange Server

Yes and it's PITA to pull it out of the lists of some shitheads, like SpamHaus.

Source: guess it

[Avamander]

SpamHaus always has really good reasons for doing what they're doing. How'd you piss them off?

There are actually horrid lists like BackScatterer and UCEProtect that you can't even properly contact. So in comparison SH is super pleasant.

[b112]

UCEProtect isn't legitimate. It's effectively a bribery ring. When presented with this data, anyone using it at the corporate level has dropped them.

(Bell Canada used them for a while, until I and others demonstrated this fact)

So don't worry about them.

[justsomehnguy]

> SpamHaus always has really good reasons

Ah, yes, blocking entire /18 and demanding money for the delisting.

I guess 'Guilty by association' is a 'good reason'.

[Avamander]

I haven't ever heard of them asking money for delisting. Surprising. Considering their track record it must be serious. A bulletproof host range? Traffic from those is absolutely guilty by association as the hosts are enabling abusive behaviour.

[justsomehnguy]

> Traffic from those is absolutely guilty by association as the hosts are enabling abusive behaviour.

I guess if you would be barred from entering Walmart because you live on the same street as someone with 'abusive behaviour' you would be 'oh, yes, totally my fault, sorry for disturbing you'.