[GordonS]

"Blatant lies"? It's my opinion, based on what I see here in the UK, and what I see coming from the US. And what I see is not very critical of Israel's actions at all. Sometimes there's a "surface" of it, but invariably with language that both diminishes Israel's culpability and dehumanises Palestinians.

Hell, I still see Western media repeating the untruths of mass raprs, babies hung on clothes lines etc, even though they were debunked a long time ago, and even Israel now admits those events didn't happen and, furthermore, admits many civilians were killed by Israeli helicopter and tank fire on October 7th.

I will say I've noticed a small improvement in the past week or two, with publication of many more stories of the horrors of what Israel is doing in Gaza, and some improvement in language use.

[nec4b]

I guess Hamas only went for a stroll through Israel and it didn't murder, torture or kidnap any one. Why are you lying?

[GordonS]

Nice strawman you got there - as I'm sure you're aware, I didn't say anything of the sort. Hamas (or at least, Palestinian militants) definitely murdered and kidnapped civilians on Oct 7th - those atrocities are bad enough without having to make up stories of torture (released hostages say there were treated well), mass rape, burned civilians (we know know there were killed by tanks and helicopters), etc.

[nec4b]

It puzzles my mind somebody would whitewash and deny horrible horrible crimes Hamas committed not only to Israelis but also to its own people.

[GordonS]

And it boggles my mind that someone would still believe unrealistic atrocity propaganda that has been debunked even by Israel.

As I've said before, Hamas definitely murdered many civilians - that's a bad enough atrocity without the need to make up stories.

I feel we're squarely in non-HN territory now, so I bid you adieu.