[bwb]

Gotcha, so what is preventing these companies from forcing the uber/delieroo drivers to be freelance solo classification?

IE, where are the teeth?

The problem with saying "like x" is it requires court cases and means enforcement is impossible. Because the gov has to challenge and challenge and challenge because it is so vague as "like x".

Could they not just tax gig workers on an hourly basis and then comp the workers with "employment" like services?

[lm28469]

> so what is preventing these companies from forcing the uber/delieroo drivers to be freelance solo classification?

Right now nothing, that's why they want to change it.

You just have to set the rules. For example when I get an uber I often check the driver profile, someone with 27 000 trips in 3 years isn't a gig worker. When you have a student delivering food 3 hours a week to pay his friday night bar trip it's completely different. Right now both are in the same category

[gruez]

So it's only gig working if you work full time? What about other freelancers that work full time? Should they be classed as employees too, or are we singling out gig workers here?

[lm28469]

> So it's only gig working if you work full time?

Nope

> What about other freelancers that work full time? Should they be classed as employees too, or are we singling out gig workers here?

These questions are answered in the article

[gruez]

The article says

>It also sets rules that mean digital platform workers will be considered employees if at least two of the following five conditions are met:

>* If the employer caps worker payments;

>* If the employer supervises worker performance, directly or electronically;

>* If the employer has control over the distribution or allocation of tasks;

>* If the employer has control over working conditions and working hours;

>* If the employer limits discretion about how work is done, appearance, or conduct.

None of these are valid reasons to differentiate between "someone with 27 000 trips in 3 years" and "a student delivering food 3 hours a week to pay his friday night bar trip"

[mewpmewp2]

Also all of those rules are so vague, it could be argued in any case someone is doing some of that in any sort of deal.

1. Company A has a max budget for contractor B or project B.

2. In most cases performance is supervised at least to some extent?

3. Not sure what that exactly means. What are tasks? What is control of distribution or allocation?

4. What does control mean? What if they have a dynamic pricing rate which yields higher payment on certain times and less on other times?

5. When a contractor hires a subcontractor or any sort of contracting is done, in most cases there's also expectation of such things.

By the way if you make those rules, people will 100% start to play around them in order to be categorised in A or B way.

[lm28469]

> Also all of those rules are so vague,

Still less vague than the current regulation, and it'll allow thousands of people to get social benefits/vacations/retirement/&c.

[lm28469]

> None of these are valid reasons

Nothing is naturally valid, that's why we make laws, and then things become valid or not. Some countries have laws regarding what is contracting and what isn't contracting, in the case of Uber drivers working solely for uber, making 100% of their income from Uber, &c. it's clear cut, and that's going to be the majority of cases