[virtual_void]

Are you are relying on that terminology because you believe piracy to actually be stealing? Depriving a person of something they already own.

[WendyTheWillow]

Nope, stealing involves depravation.

[virtual_void]

Then which specific thing in your conception of the social contact are you equating piracy with?

The post states that piracy isn’t stealing and you agree.

There must be some other thing in your mind that is equivalent.

[WendyTheWillow]

It’s called trespass, I believe the legal phrase is “trespass of chattel” but IANALY.

[virtual_void]

No, that tort specifically relates to depriving someone of, otherwise damaging their property.

We've agreed it's not stealing. We've agreed that not all piracy is immoral, for some definition of immoral.

I think we can agree that this specific tort does not apply.

Which specific thing in the social contract, some simple verb such as "stealing" are you equating piracy with. Then we'll have something concrete to discuss I think.

[WendyTheWillow]

We don't have to discuss anything if you don't like, you replied to me.

Also that's not what trespass means. You don't "deprive" someone of their land when you walk on it without permission, and you don't "deprive" someone of their song when you pirate it.

[virtual_void]

Apologies, I wasn’t suggesting i was closing down the conversation. I am trying to find a specific thing in the social contract that you feel is violated. We agree it’s not stealing it seems.

Re trespass, that’s not what the specific tort you referred to means. A chattel is a moveable form of property. You’re talking about the colloquial version of trespass. Happy to talk about that conception of it.

Is the idea of trespass the specific thing you feel is being violated in the social contract? If not, what is?